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08/12/2004 11:32:26 AM · #1 |
I'm sure someone has mentioned it before, but why not have more challenges going every week, maybe 2 open and 2 member, or 1 open and 2-3 member challenges? And then there have to be 3-4 days between them. I think this would make this site even more interesting and there isn't as long time to wait for the next challenge and then we can choose between more challenge themes to go for. Ok, maybe there will be not as many people taking part in each challenge, but I don't think it will hurt, because as it is 200-400 photos is almost to many to vote for. Around 100 would maybe be better IMO. If this will take to much space on the startup page, then why not shorten the challenge and voting period down to 4-5 days, then we'll also have more challenges.
Anyhow, I like this site, it has many positive things.
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08/12/2004 11:39:46 AM · #2 |
I'd be curious to know if adding another member and open challenge to the week would reduce the number of submissions or not. Although logically it would seem to suggest that if 300 people are submitting to an open challenge then some of those may opt to submit to the second challenge instead of the first, but some of the other 300 people would submit to both. So instead of 300 submissions to a single challenge it could be 200 in both that adds up to 400. The only advantage there would be 400 votes on two different subjects instead of 300 bug or insert subject images.
I'm not sure I have a point, just thinking in text, but I'd certainly be interested to see what would happen if more challenge were available.
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08/12/2004 11:46:59 AM · #3 |
may make for a nice test.
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08/12/2004 11:49:02 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by moodville:
I'd be curious to know if adding another member and open challenge to the week would reduce the number of submissions or not. Although logically it would seem to suggest that if 300 people are submitting to an open challenge then some of those may opt to submit to the second challenge instead of the first, but some of the other 300 people would submit to both. So instead of 300 submissions to a single challenge it could be 200 in both that adds up to 400. The only advantage there would be 400 votes on two different subjects instead of 300 bug or insert subject images.
I'm not sure I have a point, just thinking in text, but I'd certainly be interested to see what would happen if more challenge were available. |
You are probably right, but then we can choose between more challenges to vote for, I don't vote on every challenge, but now I try to rate every photo in each challenge that I am voting in, I think that will show better (at least show me) what I think of the bunch of photos in whole in each challenge.
But having more challenges will add more fun for us I think, and that was my main point with my first posting.
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08/12/2004 11:51:56 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by moodville:
I'd be curious to know if adding another member and open challenge to the week would reduce the number of submissions or not. Although logically it would seem to suggest that if 300 people are submitting to an open challenge then some of those may opt to submit to the second challenge instead of the first, but some of the other 300 people would submit to both. So instead of 300 submissions to a single challenge it could be 200 in both that adds up to 400. The only advantage there would be 400 votes on two different subjects instead of 300 bug or insert subject images.
I'm not sure I have a point, just thinking in text, but I'd certainly be interested to see what would happen if more challenge were available. |
My only concern would be that the 300 people found the time to enter both challenges and now there is 600 images to vote on:)
edit: boy am I having some issues today.
Message edited by author 2004-08-12 11:54:33. |
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08/12/2004 11:52:45 AM · #6 |
| I think it would inrease the over all number of submissions, and for me anyway, would increase the number of contests that I couldn't complete voting on! I don't know how much this would happen to other people, but I want to think that most voters have the time to get to my entry. More chance for comments! |
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08/12/2004 11:53:53 AM · #7 |
I'd vote for more challenges in the week
Might be nice to have a challenge starting and ending 4 days per week instead of 2.
More topics to choose from each week.
Maybe less images per challenge, maybe not - would be interesting to find out.
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08/12/2004 11:54:04 AM · #8 |
I love the challenges. It stirs the creativity in me.
I find that finding time to do two a week is a challenge in itself!
I like to take my time coming up with ideas, fine tuning them, setting up the shots, sometimes waiting for a few days for the right weather or light!
Last week, at one point there were three challenges that had pictures submitted for them. Miniature, Macro and the 48hr Blue Challenge. That left over 600 images to review and grade. To do that process fairly is very time demanding.
One side of me is all for it...(that would be the "I love taking picture side")
The other side (you have family, job and commitments side) says I'd be hard pressed for time.
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08/12/2004 12:00:24 PM · #9 |
Ok, I have another (great!) idea, add a 48 hour challenge every weekend, then we'll have 3 challenges going on every week all of the time, and I would vote for it as a member challenge.
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08/12/2004 12:03:56 PM · #10 |
| I like that idea better than having up to 4 challenges at once. |
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08/12/2004 12:10:16 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by bongo:
I love the challenges. It stirs the creativity in me.
I find that finding time to do two a week is a challenge in itself!
I like to take my time coming up with ideas, fine tuning them, setting up the shots, sometimes waiting for a few days for the right weather or light!
Last week, at one point there were three challenges that had pictures submitted for them. Miniature, Macro and the 48hr Blue Challenge. That left over 600 images to review and grade. To do that process fairly is very time demanding.
One side of me is all for it...(that would be the "I love taking picture side")
The other side (you have family, job and commitments side) says I'd be hard pressed for time.
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I can understand that some people may not have the time to take images for two or more challenge but who says they have to? With more challenge topics it gives people more scope of what they can shoot and enter. If you have limited time in the week to shoot and the challenge topics are say Automobiles or Landscapes and you have access to a car but dont have time to drive to find a good landscape then you could enter Automobile and not even worry about Landscapes. I also think that people who have a choice of subjects think more freely and creatively than if they were stuck thinking up the 'best creative idea ever' for one specific challenge.
As for voting... yes, most people wont have time to vote on ALL challenge submissions but instead of having to vote on a single challenge with 400 submissions you can vote on a single challenge with 200 submissions. You may only vote on one challenge instead of four but you are more likely to completely vote on all images in that single challenge if the submissions were less. To me that seems more fair than only getting to 40% of the submissions if your concern is getting to vote on all entries.
With more submissions to vote on it's likely that people will find a challenge they have not entered and so can vote without prejudice based on how their score is doing. That would make the faction of people who think people shouldnt vote on challenges they have a submission in happy too!
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08/12/2004 12:12:15 PM · #12 |
| I like the idea of speed challenge every week. |
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08/12/2004 12:12:43 PM · #13 |
Dont you guy´s have anything useful to do? LOL
I´m only submitting and voting for one challenge a week but my vife says I have a problem. |
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08/12/2004 12:15:57 PM · #14 |
Shortening the voting period is also a good diea i feel. 99% of votes seem to be completed in the first 4 days.
Plus a week is way to long to wait and see your results! :D
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08/12/2004 12:27:04 PM · #15 |
if there were "more" challenges..it would be less of a challenge, wouldn't it? a person could pick the topic that was easiest for them and not bother stretching themselves, and I think that subverts the challenge portion of the site.
Plus, there is always a need for challenge topics, and to use up 4 per week would drain the pool significantly while not adding all that more to the site.
We have had a lot of challenges in the past.. I think we're up past 250 now... I think its a cool idea to just look back at some of the old challenges and try your hand at those if you need a little extra to do. ;)
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08/12/2004 12:44:01 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by frisca:
if there were "more" challenges..it would be less of a challenge, wouldn't it? a person could pick the topic that was easiest for them and not bother stretching themselves, and I think that subverts the challenge portion of the site. |
You mean that never happens now? And the challenge portion of the site has become less about taking photographs and more about trying to meet the standards of LMV's often at the sake of entering good photography.
Originally posted by frisca:
Plus, there is always a need for challenge topics, and to use up 4 per week would drain the pool significantly while not adding all that more to the site. |
People suggest challenge topics all the time and I'm sure if there was a shortage and people were asked to submit challenge suggestions then they would. Having more challenges would hopefully get people out taking more photographs and less time ranting in the forums between challenge dates. It could also mean more site traffic due to increased activity levels. And if there was only an additional members' challenge then that could potentially increase membership sales.
Originally posted by frisca:
We have had a lot of challenges in the past.. I think we're up past 250 now... I think its a cool idea to just look back at some of the old challenges and try your hand at those if you need a little extra to do. ;) |
And where is the challenge in that?
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08/12/2004 02:37:11 PM · #17 |
We have two challenges a week, but they are not spaced evenly. There is a long stretch between the start of the open and the start of the next member, and this site usually dries up during those few days -- not completely mind you, there are always some online (hi laurie). Having another challenge in the middle of that long stretch would break it up and get rid of that long stretch at the end of the week.
If it were up to me I would use this (so far) fictional third challenge to rehash recent previous challenges. Say a month or so after a challenge, and not necessarily in the same order, have a repeat of the challenge topic (with any corrections that are warranted). This would not eat up the pool of challenge topics, and would provide a means of testing just how much we have learned about the topic of the challenge.
Seriously, how many times have you wished for another crack at the challenge once you have had comments on your entry, and taken the time to vote and comment on others.
David
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08/12/2004 02:47:46 PM · #18 |
What about having some sort of rolling open challenge? Every person could have at most one picture entered at a time, and the picture entered "expires" after a week. Voting goes on at the same time as submissions - round the clock.
People wouldn't get blue ribbons, but the highest ranking and time at that ranking could be stored. You could view a page that had the current top 10, and then another page would have the cream of the crop - the images that have spent the most time at a #1 position.
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08/12/2004 02:59:06 PM · #19 |
| I'm ALL FOR extra challenges. I personally think we should keep everything the way it is now, but just add a speed challenge say, every Friday, and you would have to have it submitted by either Saturday or Sunday night. It would be best to have the speed challenge on the weekend of course. I think speed challenges are great ... there is not much waiting time from the submission to the voting. |
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08/12/2004 03:04:26 PM · #20 |
| I would be for at least one more challenge a week but it should be a members challenge. Also I would think reducing the open challenges to once every two weeks. I think this would help drive up the paid membership to get people to want to participate in more challenges |
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08/12/2004 03:10:03 PM · #21 |
| I don't agree with the every two weeks for open challenge .. For me, being able to take advantage of one more challenge per week was enough incentive to join as a member. This should be enough. I think if anything it would piss off most of the non-members and they probably wouldn't want to join anyway. |
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08/12/2004 04:33:24 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:
I don't agree with the every two weeks for open challenge .. For me, being able to take advantage of one more challenge per week was enough incentive to join as a member. This should be enough. I think if anything it would piss off most of the non-members and they probably wouldn't want to join anyway. |
I agree, it's good as it is with the open challenges.
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08/12/2004 04:35:23 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by moodville:
Although logically it would seem to suggest that if 300 people are submitting to an open challenge then some of those may opt to submit to the second challenge instead of the first, but some of the other 300 people would submit to both. So instead of 300 submissions to a single challenge it could be 200 in both that adds up to 400. The only advantage there would be 400 votes on two different subjects instead of 300 bug or insert subject images.
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Two trains are traveling at the same rate of speed toward Los Angeles.... ;) |
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08/12/2004 04:37:06 PM · #24 |
While I really don't want any more challenges (I can't keep up as it is!), I do see the imbalance of how the DPC "week" is split, with Sunday and Tuesday being so close together, and the rest of the week kind of quiet. Does anyone know the reason for the Tuesday night end-date? I can see the Sunday night reasoning (for the DPC-home time period), but am curious if there is a reason why the other night isn't more "in the middle".
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08/12/2004 05:59:17 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by frisca:
if there were "more" challenges..it would be less of a challenge, wouldn't it? a person could pick the topic that was easiest for them and not bother stretching themselves, and I think that subverts the challenge portion of the site. |
It can be variable how easy each challenge is for each of us, but it's never easy to score one of the highest in a challenge, you can't decide that you'll win or be in the top 10. Maybe some people do score high most of the time, but the reason for that is that they're good, but it also happens once in a while that they score low. If people will choose challenges that are "easiest for them", then they possibly have to put even more effort in it to win a ribbon because they're not alone in that position. And if people will pick the easiest topics for them, as Frisca says, it must be the same now, but now people just have to wait longer.
I think it's not right that it would be less of a challenge, like Frisca says, to have more challenges is more of a challenge, I think it's logical.
Originally posted by frisca:
Plus, there is always a need for challenge topics, and to use up 4 per week would drain the pool significantly while not adding all that more to the site. |
People are posting challenge suggestions all the time, and as moodville says, if there would be a shortage and people were asked for suggestions, then they certainly will come with lot of them and it would be hard then to choose the topics to use from the bunch.
Originally posted by frisca:
We have had a lot of challenges in the past.. I think we're up past 250 now... I think its a cool idea to just look back at some of the old challenges and try your hand at those if you need a little extra to do. ;) |
It's not as much fun doing that as taking part in current challenges, it's a competition also and not at least a learning experience, it's not as interesting to try our hands at past challenges because you will not have ratings and comments and verdicts on those photos, not as with current challenges. ;)
3 challenges a week as I suggested before would be great, 2 member and 1 open challenges, that would give paying members more extra and would give more people reason to become a member as moodville pointed out.
In my earlier post I suggested a 48 hour challenge every WEEKEND. I find a 48hr challenge as it has been here on DPC not much of a "speed challenge" as it's called. A 24 hour challenge would be more proper for a SPEED Challenge.
My suggestion now is a "WEEKEND Challenge" (members only) in addition to the two weekly challenges, and that would be going on from friday to sunday with a shorter, 4 days voting period on monday to thursday untill the next challenge will come up on friday.
The time lapse between the end of the two current challenges and this new addition would have to be even IMO, even though there won't be a third challenge as I suggested, I would like to see the two current challenges start end with 3-4 days between them.
With this suggested third challenge ending on sunday, the other two could end on tuesday and friday.
For speed challenge I would recommend a good change IMO:
â€Â¢ Speed challenges would not be posted without people expecting them, the only change I can see in that is that people will then have more chance of entering in them and not missing them just because they didn't read their email in time or checked on the site on the speed challenge's period. I can't see no positive thing in letting speed challenges popping up unexpected, it only makes some people missing it disapointed.
â€Â¢ The speed challenges could happen in the first week each month. (could be once every two months if every month is to much)
â€Â¢ It would be announced when it will happen with email and on the startup page a week prior the challenge. Like this, people will wait excited and ready for the next speed challenge and know when it's expected to happen.
â€Â¢ When the challenge's theme/topic is released at the beginning of the challenge's period, an email would also be sent to members as it is today.
â€Â¢ The challenge should be on for 24 hours, making it more of a challenge and more of a SPEED challenge. I think many people now only take 1-2 days for a week-challenge, but they can choose what 1-2 days in the challenge's week, so a 48hr "speed" challenge isn't much of a speed challenge IMO.
I really like this site, it's great as it is, but people always want more like you can see in this thread and changing can be good. Changings like I suggest will make the site more interesting and most certainly increase membership sales as moodville mentioned.
People who don't want more challenges because they don't have time, can just skip a challenge once in a while. You don't have to enter every challenge! ;)
It would be interesting to see what you DPC people think about my suggestions!!???
ps. sorry for this long post - 'went brainstorming :)
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