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05/27/2012 08:36:12 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Was it Dicky 3rd who said that? I'd rather have a horse than a ribbon anyway. Besides which, we should meet up soon and have a shoot.
I just got back from Paris and all of Gyabans ribbons are decorating the street of the Champs Elysees, however, I did notice a few gaps so Im sure he will get a few more this year.
Seriously though, 9/10 blues is not bad, most are for expert editing but still.
My next goal is to score a blue in a minimal challenge but we don't see many of those. |
Sounds good to me I'd love to have a shoot soon. What was you doing in Paris ?? Was you getting personal Photoshop lessons from the great man himself ??? |
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05/27/2012 08:48:49 AM · #27 |
Remember Joey Lawrence? We have had a quite few stars in our show. I feel like it is still our show, and we are lucky it is still on the road. We should treasure our stars. They bring new life and inspiration with them, and they have all been very generous in sharing their techniques.
Message edited by author 2012-05-27 14:36:10. |
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05/27/2012 08:53:00 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. |
I am not sure this adds up, if someone had something I desired no matter how competent or self confident I was it wouldn't make me not feel envious or jealous that I had not attained that standard (yet) whether it be material or not - granted it might drive me harder to achieve it but competency or self confidence would not come in to it IMO.
The recent comment you made in the other (similar) thread about not wanting to take your photoshop skills to that level is another comment I find a little hard to understand to be honest, if your photography jumped off the page as unbelievably outstanding and you looked like you were all set to take the world by storm maybe I could understand this way of thinking...
Personally I shoot to learn and then I come home and try and learn some more about making the shots I've taken look as good as I can get them.
I agree with CS to some degree about some of Christophes work not being all that photographic anymore but that doesn't stop me having total admiration for the amount of work he puts in to making the final piece of art. However, he has proved he can take a damn good photograph without all the manipulation as a good amount of his ribbons are from non expert editing challenges.
What sets him apart for me is the guys imagination - that's where a good deal of his strength lies IMO.
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05/27/2012 10:22:22 AM · #29 |
Yes I was taking lessons from the great man himself. It was a pleasure to meet him and his family while they were on vacation.
I am of cause talking about the legend  TonyT. I would of loved to meet up with Gyaban too but I believe he lives some way from Paris. Tony did put a shout out for a GTG in Paris by the tower at 7pm but nobody turned up so we had ice-cream and a nice bottle of red. |
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05/27/2012 01:11:41 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. |
I am not sure this adds up, if someone had something I desired no matter how competent or self confident I was it wouldn't make me not feel envious or jealous that I had not attained that standard (yet) whether it be material or not - granted it might drive me harder to achieve it but competency or self confidence would not come in to it IMO.
The recent comment you made in the other (similar) thread about not wanting to take your photoshop skills to that level is another comment I find a little hard to understand to be honest, if your photography jumped off the page as unbelievably outstanding and you looked like you were all set to take the world by storm maybe I could understand this way of thinking...
Personally I shoot to learn and then I come home and try and learn some more about making the shots I've taken look as good as I can get them.
I agree with CS to some degree about some of Christophes work not being all that photographic anymore but that doesn't stop me having total admiration for the amount of work he puts in to making the final piece of art. However, he has proved he can take a damn good photograph without all the manipulation as a good amount of his ribbons are from non expert editing challenges.
What sets him apart for me is the guys imagination - that's where a good deal of his strength lies IMO. |
Haha is there any-room left on the band wagon ???? I am very very new to photography so setting the world alight wad never my objection. I came to DPC to learn PHOTOGRAPHY. It would seem that I came to the wrong place! So as for your honest if somewhat brutal view on my work I can only say thank you I guess. For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion
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05/27/2012 01:34:31 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. |
I am not sure this adds up, if someone had something I desired no matter how competent or self confident I was it wouldn't make me not feel envious or jealous that I had not attained that standard (yet) whether it be material or not - granted it might drive me harder to achieve it but competency or self confidence would not come in to it IMO.
The recent comment you made in the other (similar) thread about not wanting to take your photoshop skills to that level is another comment I find a little hard to understand to be honest, if your photography jumped off the page as unbelievably outstanding and you looked like you were all set to take the world by storm maybe I could understand this way of thinking...
Personally I shoot to learn and then I come home and try and learn some more about making the shots I've taken look as good as I can get them.
I agree with CS to some degree about some of Christophes work not being all that photographic anymore but that doesn't stop me having total admiration for the amount of work he puts in to making the final piece of art. However, he has proved he can take a damn good photograph without all the manipulation as a good amount of his ribbons are from non expert editing challenges.
What sets him apart for me is the guys imagination - that's where a good deal of his strength lies IMO. |
Haha is there any-room left on the band wagon ???? I am very very new to photography so setting the world alight wad never my objection. I came to DPC to learn PHOTOGRAPHY. It would seem that I came to the wrong place! So as for your honest if somewhat brutal view on my work I can only say thank you I guess. For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion |
Not exactly true. I started here in March for the same reason. I haven't conformed and i'm learning. I get pissed off at the scores occasionally, but we all do. Quite honestly, current photography in the world relies on PP, and learning that is part of being versatile in the world of photography. It can't save a bad image, you need the up-front skill, but learning the tools available is part of learning still.
So keep a view of what's going on around you, maybe do some side challenges that aren't scored this way, and just have fun and learn while you're here. The community, while sometimes brutally honest, *IS* helpful if you ask (sometimes even if you don't), so don't be shy and try not to be offended easily. |
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05/27/2012 02:16:34 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. |
I am not sure this adds up, if someone had something I desired no matter how competent or self confident I was it wouldn't make me not feel envious or jealous that I had not attained that standard (yet) whether it be material or not - granted it might drive me harder to achieve it but competency or self confidence would not come in to it IMO.
The recent comment you made in the other (similar) thread about not wanting to take your photoshop skills to that level is another comment I find a little hard to understand to be honest, if your photography jumped off the page as unbelievably outstanding and you looked like you were all set to take the world by storm maybe I could understand this way of thinking...
Personally I shoot to learn and then I come home and try and learn some more about making the shots I've taken look as good as I can get them.
I agree with CS to some degree about some of Christophes work not being all that photographic anymore but that doesn't stop me having total admiration for the amount of work he puts in to making the final piece of art. However, he has proved he can take a damn good photograph without all the manipulation as a good amount of his ribbons are from non expert editing challenges.
What sets him apart for me is the guys imagination - that's where a good deal of his strength lies IMO. |
Haha is there any-room left on the band wagon ???? I am very very new to photography so setting the world alight wad never my objection. I came to DPC to learn PHOTOGRAPHY. It would seem that I came to the wrong place! So as for your honest if somewhat brutal view on my work I can only say thank you I guess. For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion |
* There's room on the bandwagon and there's room off it.
* You're new to photography so what you say is based on limited observation.
* Setting the world alight is available to few - sort of by definition.
* DPC is a massive and varied resource for learning (especially digital) photography.
* You did not come to the wrong place (you might just consider the way in which you come to it).
* I think you may have got brutality and honesty mixed up there, which is understandable.
* Keep your chin up and don't turn off that learning process, as my response to your conclusions on the 2 valuable lessons is:
* 1 - the hell you do, and
* 2 - everything you read in this thread including this is opinion - have at it... |
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05/27/2012 03:55:25 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
Haha is there any-room left on the band wagon ???? I am very very new to photography so setting the world alight wad never my objection. I came to DPC to learn PHOTOGRAPHY. It would seem that I came to the wrong place! So as for your honest if somewhat brutal view on my work I can only say thank you I guess. For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion |
I had no intention of putting your work down I was merely suggesting that you might be a bit quick in disregarding some of the work and techniques available for learning here, if you were to learn one thing from Christophe I'd consider the way he pays attention to light because although possible it's a nightmare trying to correct lighting in PP so it takes planning and skill to get a shot to "gel". No one is saying you should copy his or anyone elses style just don't be so quick to close your mind to them as needless, there's something to learn from everyone here, even if sometimes it's what to avoid shooting ;)
As a new photographer I'd be prepared to open up to all aspects of learning and you will develop a style of your own much faster - then once you reach the dizzy heights of a Ribbon Hog you will be admired by some and hated by others lol
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05/27/2012 04:02:47 PM · #34 |
Funny, when photography first came about it was used by traditional artists(painters, sculpters etc..) but was largely unaccapted as an artform in it's ownright by those same very people. Then, digital photography was invented and the film shooters and old school photogs hated it and declared it too easy and unworthy of "real" photographers. Now, some photographers are unaccepting of heavily processed images and asserting that they are not photographs at all, even though the base images that make up these fantastic pieces of art are indeed photographs.
Have we come full circle?
BTW, anyone who thinks Christophe is not a great "photographer" needs to look closer at his portfolio. I guarantee if he wanted to he could ribbon at will in basic and even minimal editing. |
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05/27/2012 04:58:42 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
then once you reach the dizzy heights of a Ribbon Hog you will be admired by some and hated by others lol |
Like 'me' you mean? |
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05/27/2012 05:04:24 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
then once you reach the dizzy heights of a Ribbon Hog you will be admired by some and hated by others lol |
Like 'me' you mean? |
Yeah mate but you're one of the ones I admire, you know that :) |
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05/27/2012 05:32:48 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
... For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion |
If these are the only two things you managed to learn from you involvement in DPC then I dare say that either you have not been here very long, or you have not taken the opportunity to glean those precious gems that are made available by those in the know.
This venue is more than a PHOTOGRAPHY site... it is in esssence a family environment where there exists a myriad of players of varying qualities and expertise who, for the most part, are quite willing to share their knowledge and experiences.
The true family setting becomes abundantly clear when a member experiences a difficulty, be it emotional, financial or work related. There have been and continue to be numerous situations where a member of this extended family sought solace and comfort from our community, and in not any single instance was a cry in the night ever ignored.
I do hope you stay and get to appreciate the true value of this very special environment.
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05/27/2012 05:36:49 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Originally posted by MAK:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
then once you reach the dizzy heights of a Ribbon Hog you will be admired by some and hated by others lol |
Like 'me' you mean? |
Yeah mate but you're one of the ones I admire, you know that :) |
God dam ribbon hogs !!!!! |
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05/27/2012 07:26:17 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
I am very very new to photography so setting the world alight wad never my objection. I came to DPC to learn PHOTOGRAPHY. It would seem that I came to the wrong place! So as for your honest if somewhat brutal view on my work I can only say thank you I guess. For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion |
Or you could reconsider the above statement on the light of whether there is any challenge entry, independently from its score, which you like and find inspiring or akin to where you wish to go with your images.
If there is none, by all means you must be right, you are in the wrong place (provided you only wish to learn, not to simly submit what you feel is worth submitting).
If there are some, well, high scoring images are the most visible, but all the rest are just a few clicks away. And plenty of people who will be eager to give advice if you contact them saying you liked something in their portfolio and wish to know more. |
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05/27/2012 08:10:44 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
For a new comer here I have learnt 2 valuable lesons. 1. you must conform very quickly to be noticed and 2. Under no circumstance must you ever ever have your own opinion |
The folks that follow their own path also seem to be the ones that most often get the (IMO) highest honor DPC can offer: they get an "In the style of" challenge in their name. These are people who often fail to capture the mass appeal that wins ribbons but they have distinctive style of their own and a strong fan base. They often pull in the most comments.
Speaking of which, when are we getting an "In the style of  Melethia challenge? Long overdue.
Message edited by author 2012-05-27 20:12:08.
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05/27/2012 10:10:20 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by WebbTogg:
Does anyone else feel like an extra in the gyaban show or is it just me ???? |
not really, i enjoy seeing creative genius on display.
there are quite a few of them here, Gyaban is just one of the most well known.
Message edited by author 2012-05-27 22:12:23. |
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