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 05/25/2012 01:39:41 PM · #1
I expected this to be at least a 5.5. Ended up with a 4.8397... a 4.8? 51st place of 51 images. Last place?

Was it's issue simply that it did not have visible rain? I actually threw some added rain in (albeit maybe too light), but I wanted it to be realistic. This was actually taken while it was raining...



What's the deal? Give it to me straight! Were there other problems? Just got killed because it was an expert editing challenge? I'm at a loss. Last place?! Really?
 05/25/2012 01:42:15 PM · #2
i admit i gave it a 1.

i didn't see any rain, if anything it looked sunny.
 05/25/2012 01:43:23 PM · #3
It might be that it doesn't look like its raining, if you look really closely you can see its spiting down but it doesn't jump of the screen at you.
 05/25/2012 01:47:39 PM · #4
i looked at it, didn't see rain...moved on. came back to it, looked harder and then saw a little rain in the darks, ended up giving it a 5.
i think the voters wanted to rain to be more evident. esp since it was expert editing and you could artificially add some rain in.
 05/25/2012 01:52:42 PM · #5
I didn't vote in this challenge, having looked at your image I didn't associate the image with rain at all and I would suspect you got hit hard by the DNMC Mark down.
 05/25/2012 02:00:00 PM · #6
people seem to DNMC the hell out of photos.
Perhaps the advice of Bear_Music is best here, (if you care about DNMC votes)

"Shoot for the challenge as if the title of the challenge is the title of a magazine-
and you are shooting for the cover of that magazine."- (paraphrased)
would this be a good cover for "In the Rain" magazine?

hope that helps or at least provides the tools to avoid the swift knife that is a "1" vote from the likes of mike_311!

I also might add, that the color green that predominates your photo
causes instant repulsion among some viewers if used in large quantities.
On the wrong monitor, or to the wrong viewer, it is super nuclear brassy score killing green.

fwiw, I like the wet fence.

05/25/2012 02:01:20 PM · #7
I saw no rain, and took no sense of "raininess" from it. It's way too bright and saturated to be rainy in any normal sense of the word. So I gave it a 4, myself.
05/25/2012 02:07:08 PM · #8
Originally posted by blindjustice:
e?

hope that helps or at least provides the tools to avoid the swift knife that is a "1" vote from the likes of mike_311!


i expect quality.

nobody learns being coddled. :)

Message edited by author 2012-05-25 14:07:50.
 05/25/2012 02:08:56 PM · #9
Originally posted by blindjustice:

hope that helps or at least provides the tools to avoid the swift knife that is a "1" vote from the likes of mike_311!

Who said anything about it being swift? I stared at this for a while and couldn't see rain. The problem was the dark region in the upper right didn't have the rain I was looking for, which normally provides the contrast for such things, so I DNMC'ed it. In the end, I was one of the 2's.

CS
 05/25/2012 02:10:09 PM · #10
Each person has their own way of voting. For me, I weight meeting the challenge at 1 point. So, if you took the most breathtakingly beautiful, creative, and technically well done image I'd seen in a long time, I would vote it a 9.

Others give a total of 1, if they believe it DNMC. I don't believe either way is "wrong". Everyone gets to vote the way they want to.

I didn't vote this challenge, but you probably would have gotten a 4 or 5 from me. I like the colors, saturation, and overall exposure. Focus is nice and sharp. Like others have said, it does not really say rain to me. I also would have preferred the deer on the right, coming in towards the center of the image as opposed to on the left, leaving the frame. But that is my taste, and others (including you) may differ.

It is hard to see an image we really like, not do as well as we hoped in a challenge.
 05/25/2012 02:10:16 PM · #11
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
e?

hope that helps or at least provides the tools to avoid the swift knife that is a "1" vote from the likes of mike_311!


i expect quality.

nobody learns being coddled. :)


I was just kidding man. so much for people lightening up! :-)
 05/25/2012 02:13:14 PM · #12
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
e?

hope that helps or at least provides the tools to avoid the swift knife that is a "1" vote from the likes of mike_311!


i expect quality.

nobody learns being coddled. :) <---


I was just kidding man. so much for people lightening up! :-)


i know, did you see the smiley?

Message edited by author 2012-05-25 14:13:56.
 05/25/2012 02:14:57 PM · #13
James, I just looked at your photos that have been favourited - quite a number in the short time you have been here, and some really fine work. Your deer in the rain is best forgotten in my unhumble opinion. Mostly because of the colour as has been said. I have very similar problems with deer in the grass, and a similarly coloured dog, also in the grass, and I am nowhere close to solving it. But more importantly there is no subject at all in your photo. Might have been the deer, but then the fence and the grasses are equally if not more defined. Study your own more successful photos.
 05/25/2012 02:18:44 PM · #14
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
e?

hope that helps or at least provides the tools to avoid the swift knife that is a "1" vote from the likes of mike_311!


i expect quality.

nobody learns being coddled. :) <---


I was just kidding man. so much for people lightening up! :-)


i know, did you see the smiley?


i guess I need to lighten up.
 05/25/2012 02:39:06 PM · #15
Originally posted by blindjustice:
people seem to DNMC the hell out of photos.
Perhaps the advice of Bear_Music is best here, (if you care about DNMC votes)

"Shoot for the challenge as if the title of the challenge is the title of a magazine-
and you are shooting for the cover of that magazine."- (paraphrased)
would this be a good cover for "In the Rain" magazine?


Whoa, WHOA!

Someone else said that, years ago. I've been vocal in my disapproval of that approach. I absolutely HATE that literal-minded people treat the challenges as somehow-"professioonal" assignments like this. I'd MUCH rather see creatively oblique takes on the challenge topic...
 05/25/2012 02:57:39 PM · #16
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
people seem to DNMC the hell out of photos.
Perhaps the advice of Bear_Music is best here, (if you care about DNMC votes)

"Shoot for the challenge as if the title of the challenge is the title of a magazine-
and you are shooting for the cover of that magazine."- (paraphrased)
would this be a good cover for "In the Rain" magazine?


Whoa, WHOA!

Someone else said that, years ago. I've been vocal in my disapproval of that approach. I absolutely HATE that literal-minded people treat the challenges as somehow-"professioonal" assignments like this. I'd MUCH rather see creatively oblique takes on the challenge topic...


I am sorry, I didn't mean to literally attribute it to you, or even give it as advice. I too disagree with the philosophy,

You mentioned once that the DNMC voters viewed challenge topics and meeting the challenges with this approach.
If one wanted to be on the good side of those voters one could follow that rule.

Again, I retract the statement in as much as I had (1) attributed it to you and (2) made it seem like it was your point of view.

05/25/2012 03:00:50 PM · #17
I gave the OP a 6, i did a few retakes to it because i saw the fawn was wet looking so i kept looking for rain, then thought to myself that if it was a fast shutter speed and a light rain it might not be overly visible. Took this into account and with a wet fawn and wet fence, marked it as if it was lightly raining when this was taken.

This image, along with Bear's monet-like image definitely deserved better scores in my opinion.
 05/25/2012 03:44:32 PM · #18
Thanks for the feedback guys.

I had actually tried the "monsoon effect" on the image, and I thought it looked way too fake (as I think a majority of the images in this challenge look, it even ruined some).

I do struggle with my different monitors... they all have different contrast levels and it's a constant struggle to know what is visible to the majority of users. The rain in my image is quite visible on my work LED monitor. Yet on my laptop at home it's barely visible. I tend to trust my LED monitor as the most correct, but I also understand that most users are probably using laptop monitors.

I actually had the inverse issue with an entry currently being voted on. I did the editing on my work laptop screen, then got to work and found that it looks washed out. Major challenge to voting on art via computer monitor.
 05/25/2012 04:08:09 PM · #19
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I expected this to be at least a 5.5. Ended up with a 4.8397...
What's the deal? Give it to me straight!

It's math. You did not receive the right combination of scores to average out to a 5.5. Simple as that. :P

What's with people complaining that their scores don't match their expectations? F*** scores. I understand questions like "How could this have done better?" or "Honest critique wanted" but specifically trying to address expectations of scores will drive you insane.

Yeah, yeah, "Lighten up, Art!" :) Happy Friday. :D
 05/25/2012 04:10:17 PM · #20
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I expected this to be at least a 5.5. Ended up with a 4.8397...
What's the deal? Give it to me straight!

It's math. You did not receive the right combination of scores to average out to a 5.5. Simple as that. :P

What's with people complaining that their scores don't match their expectations? F*** scores. I understand questions like "How could this have done better?" or "Honest critique wanted" but specifically trying to address expectations of scores will drive you insane.

Yeah, yeah, "Lighten up, Art!" :) Happy Friday. :D


Oh Art, lighten up. ;)
 05/25/2012 04:14:54 PM · #21
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I expected this to be at least a 5.5. Ended up with a 4.8397...
What's the deal? Give it to me straight!

It's math. You did not receive the right combination of scores to average out to a 5.5. Simple as that. :P

What's with people complaining that their scores don't match their expectations? F*** scores. I understand questions like "How could this have done better?" or "Honest critique wanted" but specifically trying to address expectations of scores will drive you insane.

Yeah, yeah, "Lighten up, Art!" :) Happy Friday. :D

I've been saying this since I joined the site. Scores are irrelevant except to compare you to another entry. That's the only instance in which your score matters.

CS
 05/25/2012 05:14:07 PM · #22
I gave this the lowest score of the challenge and since you asked, here is why I gave you a 2. The composition is very poor and you gave no (nose/lead room) The deer is facing the edge of the frame and has nowhere to look to which is uncomfortable and not pleasing to look at. For me the saturation is too much and has a weird yellow look to it. The fence allows no separation for the deer and background. And it is difficult to tell that it is raining but even if the rain was very noticeable I still would have given it a low score due to the technicals.

How should a shot of deer look, well one example is this. This has a beautiful composition, great mood and great lighting. Look at how you can improve and look to other shots to see what you like and learn how to do that and you will grow. Keep shooting and learning, Looking at another shot of Deer that you took you have much better light and the fence isn't nearly as distracting.
 05/25/2012 05:30:10 PM · #23
I have to say I was very surprised to see this finish last. I marked it down for the composition - I'm another who likes the space in front of rather than behind a person or animal unless there's a good reason otherwise - and for color (but not much - I just found it over-saturated on my monitor). I couldn't see the rain either, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt - either it was or had been raining :) I gave it a 6.
 05/25/2012 05:42:56 PM · #24
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
What's with people complaining that their scores don't match their expectations? F*** scores. I understand questions like "How could this have done better?" or "Honest critique wanted" but specifically trying to address expectations of scores will drive you insane.

I don't see much difference between saying those things. I'm not hurt or disheartened, but I was quite puzzled over it coming in last place. I take that as meaning it was the worst shot in the challenge according to the average viewer.

Joshua, thanks for the feedback. For some reason I really liked the composition personally. Not sure why exactly, but I do sorta see what you mean. Maybe I like the uncomfortable framing because it mimics the deer's actions? ...I'm probably trying to read into it too much.

Message edited by author 2012-05-25 17:43:46.
 05/25/2012 05:58:54 PM · #25
I'm a high voter. I gave it a 6. For me a 6 is more or less understood by others to be a 5. I very rarely vote 3's and 4's are pretty rare too. For me a 6 represents a C- meaning that if this were a test in photography class, you passed but could do a lot better. I voted a 6 because I liked the light and recognized it as occuring during a rain event on a bright day due to the saturated greens and such. Some focus issues on the deer and poor composition prevented me from going higher. Now that I have taken a longer look, I probably should have marked it a 5.
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