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 05/04/2012 01:08:44 AM · #1
Wow...
 05/04/2012 06:09:16 AM · #2
I think this may be a good challenge. It is a big disappointment to me to see Expert Editing. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that it changes the emphasis from photographing something which is ghost-like to drawing/painting in ghost-like things. While I'm certain hundreds will want to do this, it's not as interesting of a challenge to me. But, that's just me. Go for it!
 05/04/2012 08:15:23 AM · #3
here is a link to the suggestion thread...
 05/04/2012 09:13:42 AM · #4
Ive got a few ideas for this
 05/04/2012 09:21:43 AM · #5
Originally posted by hahn23:
As far as participation goes, you may get more people who want to draw and paint imaginary things. You don't need a camera for that stuff. I wouldn't participate in that, but many would. It's okay.

And this is why I won't be participating in this challenge. I have a number of ideas, but would rather save them for when I don't have to go up against manufactured entries.

CS

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 09:22:02.
 05/04/2012 09:27:37 AM · #6
Most people were for advanced in the thread and we end up with expert, we'll have a cartoon ghost on the front page, there will probably be more entries though and that's all that counts, so it seems, count me out.
 05/04/2012 09:57:17 AM · #7
I need to work on my 'expert' skill set which doesn't really exist yet.. I think i'll give this one a go even though the ideas I currently have don't require expert editing..
 05/04/2012 10:39:13 AM · #8
There are still those of us that can appreciate photoshop digital art,
but appreciate even more the use of a camera and one exposure to create.

I would not like to see so many abandon this challenge, but rather, treat it as a challenge
use photography to overcome digital art...
 05/04/2012 10:42:57 AM · #9
Well, with gyaban competing, the red is the new blue. :)
 05/04/2012 10:44:36 AM · #10
Originally posted by blindjustice:
There are still those of us that can appreciate photoshop digital art,
but appreciate even more the use of a camera and one exposure to create.

I would not like to see so many abandon this challenge, but rather, treat it as a challenge
use photography to overcome digital art...


Put like that, I might give it a go, might even catch a real one :)

05/04/2012 10:47:21 AM · #11
This challenge would have been more difficult in basic - and a lot more fun I think! It would have brought out the "necessary creativity" instead of the "artistic creativity". maybe.
 05/04/2012 10:56:00 AM · #12
Originally posted by blindjustice:
There are still those of us that can appreciate photoshop digital art,
but appreciate even more the use of a camera and one exposure to create.

I would not like to see so many abandon this challenge, but rather, treat it as a challenge
use photography to overcome digital art...

That's a fair sentiment to have, but I have complete disdain for the heavily Photoshop'ed photos. I become distraught when they place where they do in certain challenges. Rather than participate, I'm showing my sentiment by lowering the entry count by one. Others feel the exact same way with regards to minimal, my favorite rule set, so it works itself out in the wash.

CS

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 10:56:53.
 05/04/2012 11:09:15 AM · #13
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Well, with gyaban competing, the red is the new blue. :)


even though I can't enter, I had to comment on this very quickly.

If you remember the Bulls era, Jordon plays and others watch... there was no first place but teams were hopping to play the championship games with the Bulls... heck, I got 7+ last time came 5th place, my second best... I feel like I beat Jordan (in my world)

I just can't wait to see what gyaban will come out with :0)
 05/04/2012 11:13:44 AM · #14
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Well, with gyaban competing, the red is the new blue. :)


even though I can't enter, I had to comment on this very quickly.

If you remember the Bulls era, Jordon plays and others watch... there was no first place but teams were hopping to play the championship games with the Bulls... heck, I got 7+ last time came 5th place, my second best... I feel like I beat Jordan (in my world)

I just can't wait to see what gyaban will come out with :0)


I agree... as the redneck in me would say... He's Purtdarngood.
 05/04/2012 11:18:28 AM · #15
I wish I could still have the determination others have despite the fact that what sounded like a fun challenge in Advanced has been made an Expert challenge. I sit on my butt all day at work and have no desire to do more of the same while Photoshoping an entry together.

I wish I could have the enthusiasm to just give it a go anyway as though it were an Advanced challenge, but likely taking the back seat to a bunch ghosts made with a pen receiving inflated scores despite most of them being poorly done just doesn't appeal to me.

Maybe I just need to drink my morning coffee and deal with it, but I'm thinking I will have to sit this one out.

ETA: I am NOT trying to advocate no Expert challenges here. It just seemed unnecessary here when the person who came up with the idea even suggested Advanced and we have had so many Expert challenges lately already.

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 11:21:40.
 05/04/2012 11:22:26 AM · #16
Originally posted by Brent_S:
I wish I could still have the determination others have despite the fact that what sounded like a fun challenge in Advanced has been made an Expert challenge. I sit on my butt all day at work and have no desire to do more of the same while Photoshoping an entry together.

I wish I could have the enthusiasm to just give it a go anyway as though it were an Advanced challenge, but likely taking the back seat to a bunch ghosts made with a pen receiving inflated scores despite most of them being poorly done just doesn't appeal to me.

Maybe I just need to drink my morning coffee and deal with it, but I'm thinking I will have to sit this one out.

ETA: I am NOT trying to advocate no Expert challenges here. It just seemed unnecessary here when the person who came up with the idea even suggested Advanced and we have had so many Expert challenges lately already.


Even gyaban said he spent 3 days working on his entry For Dallas... and that he implied was rushed.
 05/04/2012 12:50:09 PM · #17
Ghosts .... in expert? Why that means they don't even have to be REAL ghosts! How silly is that.
 05/04/2012 03:23:38 PM · #18
Awww... everyone's being silly! Just look at the number of truly expert "expert" editing entries in any given challenge. Just because you think the top 3 might go to the experts, do you only enter challenges in which you can ribbon?

This is a group of photographers. I would think that photographs that are done well in basic/advanced editing will be obvious and will be rewarded for their quality and technique. I'm betting there will be a fair number of advanced editing shots that make it into the top 10.

I, too, was really hoping for this challenge and desperately wanted it to be advanced editing. But I'm not going to avoid it just because it's expert. It's still a fun challenge. Why give up on a fun challenge just because Christophe may be entering? That's silly. :)

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 15:24:49.
 05/04/2012 04:26:06 PM · #19
Originally posted by vawendy:
...But I'm not going to avoid it just because it's expert. It's still a fun challenge. Why give up on a fun challenge just because Christophe may be entering? That's silly. :)

I enjoy Christophe's presentations as much as anyone. His strong entries in Expert Edit challenges are great and have no bearing on my decision to avoid entering this challenge. I'm not "being silly". During a time of year when there are many photography opportunities outside, I have little interest in excessive sitting in front of a computer monitor. That said, good luck to everyone who plans to enter.

05/04/2012 04:36:34 PM · #20
Originally posted by vawendy:
Awww... everyone's being silly! Just look at the number of truly expert "expert" editing entries in any given challenge. Just because you think the top 3 might go to the experts, do you only enter challenges in which you can ribbon?

This is a group of photographers. I would think that photographs that are done well in basic/advanced editing will be obvious and will be rewarded for their quality and technique. I'm betting there will be a fair number of advanced editing shots that make it into the top 10.

I, too, was really hoping for this challenge and desperately wanted it to be advanced editing. But I'm not going to avoid it just because it's expert. It's still a fun challenge. Why give up on a fun challenge just because Christophe may be entering? That's silly. :)

I really don't think I am being silly Wendy. I am guessing you personally don't have a full time job and can put many hours into doing a composite image here? And even if it is cheesy and amateurish it will score very highly as compared to images done under Advanced rules (unless maybe they are B&W taken in a charming setting that is all the rage right now).

I don't have the time for even a cheesy composite image (and don't want one to end up my highest scoring image) and I don't live in a village with old world charm (though I would like to think I could still compete with this under Advanced rules).
Sure I can just concede the top spots to the digital creations and give it a go anyway (and I may), but to me that feels a little like running a foot race where I'm not taking steroids when many competitors are. Just not very appealing...
 05/04/2012 04:53:02 PM · #21
If you are going to enter, make it good. Google may pick it up and then it will have hundreds of thousands more views than your next most viewed picture and if it isn't very good you may be sheepishly embarassed about it forever.

Don't ask me how I know that.

Message edited by author 2012-05-04 16:53:22.
 05/04/2012 04:54:45 PM · #22
I don't understand all this. I've done just fine with advanced entries in expert challenges, or anyway barely-expert entries; like, throw a couple birds into an HDR scene and call it a night. I've never not entered solely because people like Judi and Gyaban were gonna be stunning us with their creations. I ENJOY putting traditional images into these challenges and seeing how well I can do.
 05/04/2012 04:57:45 PM · #23
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Don't ask me how I know that.


Would that have anything to do with Bloody Mary, perchance? :-)

R.
 05/04/2012 04:58:28 PM · #24
LALALALA! I can't hear you.
 05/04/2012 05:03:52 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I don't understand all this. I've done just fine with advanced entries in expert challenges, or anyway barely-expert entries; like, throw a couple birds into an HDR scene and call it a night. I've never not entered solely because people like Judi and Gyaban were gonna be stunning us with their creations. I ENJOY putting traditional images into these challenges and seeing how well I can do.

I have also entered several Expert Edit ruleset challenges. Mixed results, but that's okay. In my mind, the Ghosts challenge becomes a joke when in Expert. Photographing apparitions is distant territory from drawing in a cartoon. A strong effort (much energy and time expenditure) to do a credible job with Basic or Advanced Edit techniques becomes trivialized by those who would draw and paint in effects.
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