I have a problem...do you have a solution?

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/01/2012 08:37:23 PM · #1

I currently have Lightroom 3 (where I do most of my basic editing/conversion), then I move my photo's to PhotoShop Elements 10...where I do the heavier editing, resizing and save for WEB. All of my photos are saved to my LR3...Before I do any resizing I "Save As" to LR3...BUT when I do my final resizing to 800 pixels and do a save for WEB (final step) the smallest size being 800 pixels is the last save...it overwrites the larger file how can I save ALL of my files and not have any "overwrites"??? I do a "work around" by saving my Save for WEB file by adding a 1/lower case letter...this way it doesn't overwrite the larger file...but sometimes I just forget to do that and there just HAS to be a better way...

I have some photos that I have saved @ the 800 pixels that I need bigger...I don't want to re-edit if I don't have to...but HOW can I enlarge it to 1064 Pixels...and do you think the 264 pixels will make all that much difference? (it's for a photo contest(s))

Thanks for your help...I'm sure it's a very simple obvious answer that has eluded me for the past year or more...sigh

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

05/01/2012 08:45:53 PM · #2

Saving it a different location should do the trick. Anything I save @ 800 pixels goes to a DPC file folder on my desktop. Everything else stays in the folder I originally put it in.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/01/2012 08:49:00 PM · #3

This tells me that you're working on, editing, JPG files? You really shouldn't be doing that. TIFF or PSD files are much preferable. And if you use those, then when you save for web it creates a JPG file of the same name, and (obviously) leaves the old file intact.

R.

bassbone

Nikon Z8

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

05/01/2012 08:49:16 PM · #4

Originally posted by Kelli:

Saving it a different location should do the trick. Anything I save @ 800 pixels goes to a DPC file folder on my desktop. Everything else stays in the folder I originally put it in.

I agree with Kelli. Save the web sized images to a separate folder. I always edit my full res version (TIF, PSD) and then complete the final edits for web publication (resizing for web with any specific sharpening techniques) in a separate folder so it ready to go for DPC, FB, etc.

Message edited by author 2012-05-01 20:50:45.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/01/2012 08:51:36 PM · #5

why not use lightrrom to export the image to the size you need?

in lightroom if you right click the picture and "open in photoshop" it will create a copy in psd or tif file that you can edit in Photoshop. the file is added to lightroom at that time and and changes you make will automatically import when you save in photoshop. you will then in lightroom be able to export the psd or tiff into whatever size you need, whenever you need to.

EL-ROI

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

05/01/2012 08:59:04 PM · #6

I don't use LR so I know I may not have full knowledge of how that saves your photos. I basically use a project folder setup.

It basically goes:

> Project Name
>> Original Files (all original raw files copied from SD Card)
>> Raw Edits (All Raw files copied from original folder. Run through ACR are saved here with the xmp data files)
>> PSE9 (All saved photoshop elements 9 files)
>> JPG Prints (all final prints exported from PSE9)
>> Tif Prints (all final tifs exported from PSE9)
>> Web Prints (all prints sized for web)

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

05/01/2012 09:18:05 PM · #7

@ Kelli...I do have a separate file that I save all my DPC photos to...it still overwrites my last saved LARGE file...IF I forget to change/add the #/alpha on the end...(Original kept in tack in LR3)
@ Bear...I work on PSD files until I do the final Save for WEB then I convert it to JPEG...not before...
@ Peter...essentially that is what I do...
@ Mike...I don't import (or I don't want to) my final edit back to LR3...it goes to my DPC file WHEN I remember to add the #/alpha
@ Ed...I don't save my photos in Elements anymore...they go back to LR3

I just have something set up wrong...sigh

dswann

Nikon D7000

05/01/2012 09:23:55 PM · #8

I believe PSE10 treats the "Save for Web" command as just another editing step, even though it asks you where to save the smaller file as part of the routine. PSE remembers where the file came from and will overwrite the file if you do a plain save before you exit PSE. I don't know a way around doing a "Save As" command and giving the smaller file a unique name. Just part of the process. After I perform a "Save for Web", I decline to resave the file when closing the editing session. That way I avoid PSE overwriting the file that was opened for the editing session.

In my workflow, I end up with 4 or 5 files:
1. The original RAW file
2. The .PSD file with all layers.
3. Flatten the file and save as full size .jpg
4. Resize the file and save as low resolution (72 ppi) .jpg file. If this file is less than 300kB, then I stop here.
5. If required by file size, do a Save for Web and save that file in a DPC folder.

I guess I could eliminate the full size .jpg file save in step 3 and start with the .PSD file for future printing, etc.

Message edited by author 2012-05-01 21:26:06.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/01/2012 09:23:59 PM · #9

Originally posted by Ja-9:

@ Bear...I work on PSD files until I do the final Save for WEB then I convert it to JPEG...not before...

I don't understand. Are you saying you convert to JPG and THEN save for web? If os, then of COURSE it's overwriting the preceding JPG. But you don't need to do that. Just resize your PSD to 800 pixels and save-to-web; PS will automatically make the conversion at that point and save it to the filesize you specify. Then just close the PSD file, telling it you do NOT want to save the changes when you're prompted to do so. This leaves you with a full-size, layered PSD file and an 800-pixel JPG file.

R.

05/01/2012 09:35:59 PM · #10

Bear...when I save for WEB....I chose the drop down menu to JPEG...I always pick Maximum (size)...Optimize to file size...300K press ok...then I press ok again then it asks me for where I want to save it (DPChallenge - 2012). But at this point if I don't add a letter/# to the file name...it WILL overwrite my last large file save (before I do all my sharpening/noise steps) it does not leave me a full size file in LR3

I do not work on JPEG files...I start out with RAW in LR3 convert to PSD final save is JPEG (for DPC)

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/01/2012 09:47:33 PM · #11

ok, so back to question #2

I have some photos that I have saved @ the 800 pixels that I need bigger...I don't want to re-edit if I don't have to...but HOW can I enlarge it to 1064 Pixels...and do you think the 264 pixels will make all that much difference? (it's for a photo contest(s))

is there an easy fix for this?

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/01/2012 10:08:15 PM · #12

Originally posted by Ja-9:

@ Mike...I don't import (or I don't want to) my final edit back to LR3...it goes to my DPC file WHEN I remember to add the #/alpha

you don't have to, when you "edit in Photoshop" from inside lightroom, it automatically creates a copy inside lightroom, you don't have to import as its already there.

at that point you have your full blown original file that you can export to whatever format and what ever size floats your boat, while still maintaining the original files.

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

05/01/2012 10:16:56 PM · #13

@ Mike..when I close out my PSE10 and it asks me if I want to overwrite (my words) I should always say no...therefore it wouldn't save the smallest file to LR3...I think that this is what I'm doing wrong...

sometimes late at night when I want to work on my photo the next day I'll leave the computer/programs on it shuts off during the night...therefore closing my programs/files...and saving the smallest files...

I need to figure out a better system...

In PSE10 once you close the file/program...you can't go back and make changes (I don't have a history files to go back to)...this is why I leave it open sometimes...(probably going to get my head slapped for this one)

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/01/2012 11:09:56 PM · #14

Originally posted by Ja-9:

This should never be happening to you. ALL the work you do except resize and save for web should be done on a full-size, layered, PSD file. You should always be able to reopen that file and make a new copy at whatever size you need.

R.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

05/01/2012 11:13:30 PM · #15

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
ok, so back to question #2

I have some photos that I have saved @ the 800 pixels that I need bigger...I don't want to re-edit if I don't have to...but HOW can I enlarge it to 1064 Pixels...and do you think the 264 pixels will make all that much difference? (it's for a photo contest(s))

is there an easy fix for this?

This should never be happening to you. ALL the work you do except resize and save for web should be done on a full-size, layered, PSD file. You should always be able to reopen that file and make a new copy at whatever size you need.

R.

ya, doesn't wk for me...sigh

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

05/01/2012 11:51:33 PM · #16

When exporting from LR, what format are you exporting to and what bit depth?

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

05/02/2012 08:53:10 AM · #17

Originally posted by hahn23:

When exporting from LR, what format are you exporting to and what bit depth?

I'm exporting a NIF file to PSD (PSE10) 8 bit (PSE10 has troubles with anything higher...tried the 16 bit...but it has problems, can't remember what...just remember I had to change it back to 8 bit) then when I'm finished with all the edits I do in "full size/resolution" I do a "save as" it saves to LR3 as a PSD file. Then I do small sharpening/noise steps and reduce 1-3 times then "save for WEB" that file goes to the DPChallenge - 2012 file at this point SHOULD I forget to add the #/letter to the file name it will save the 800 pixel over the larger file

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

05/02/2012 01:10:46 PM · #18

When you do "Save As" you should have a check-box for [_] as copy (or a menu option for Save As Copy -- I'm not familiar with your menus/dialog boxes) ... this should prompt you to give the new file a new name.

When you are saving for web/JPEG you need to be at 8-bit depth anyway ... BTW that's actually 8 bits/color channel, which is why each uncompressed RGB pixel takes 24 bits (3 bytes) on disk or card, and can theoretically produce about 16.7 million colors, though the various color spaces are only able to display considerbly fewer.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/02/2012 08:57:59 PM · #19

So IS there a way to take my photo from 800 pixels to 1064 or not?

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

05/02/2012 09:08:50 PM · #20

Originally posted by Ja-9:

So IS there a way to take my photo from 800 pixels to 1064 or not?

That's a small enough upsize that it shouldn't make a difference.