Vanishing point: non entered pics, post in here!

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/09/2004 11:55:13 PM · #27

Not taking any sides, but the responses some posted were a bit over reacting. Likewise, I think it is courteous to wait before posting any outtakes.

Just be thankful the images were links and not thumbnails. That would've totally ruined it. To those that "peeked" at the links, no one forced you to mouseover and click. You have no one to blame but yourself, shame on you.

08/09/2004 11:56:45 PM · #28

Originally posted by slgardner:

Kyebosh has only been a member since June. I imagine he was only trying to start and interesting thread, not sabotage the contest.

Maybe since he hasn't been around so long he should have asked if it was ok first or if it would offend anyone before starting a thread like this.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/09/2004 11:59:45 PM · #29

Originally posted by Bran-O-Rama:

I didn't click and I wish site council would come up with a POSTED policy about when outtakes are ok to be shared...like a time when to start them and if they were started before that time the images or links would be removed from the thread.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/10/2004 12:04:58 AM · #30

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Maybe since he hasn't been around so long he should have asked if it was ok first or if it would offend anyone before starting a thread like this.

I have seen other threads like this, I assumed it was ok. I don't remember them being flamed or anything like that either.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

08/10/2004 12:16:19 AM · #31

I've been guilty of posting these types of threads (as I've seen others do), but I'll refrain in the future. Sometimes I'll share a few outtakes unrelated to my entry just because I was excited about them. A good percentage of those get marked as favorites by somebody, but I could certainly wait until after the challenge ends (arghh! patience is not my strong suit).

Usually the shots are unique or far enough removed from the challenge topic that it wouldn't affect other entries, but I acknowledge that there's no way for me to really know. I don't think anyone has purposefully tried to influence the vote or hog comments (I don't ask for them) by posting outtakes, but if it inspires another to improve their shot or come up with a better idea, then that might not be such a bad thing after all.

mariomel

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/10/2004 12:16:37 AM · #32

You people are really funny. As posted by someone earlier in this thread, and many times before, don't take this so serioulsy.

We (I think) submit here because it is fun, because we want comments on our photos, and because we want to improve as photographers. There is no PRIZE. Just because one person might post an image in advance that is similar to something actually submitted to the challenge by another member, does it really make a difference? Just look at how many similar images get posted to every challnge. How many dragonflies, flowers, bugs, etc get posted.

As I said earlier, if you don't want to see out-takes, don't open the thread. It was clear. If you come to look at this thread just to bash it, then shame on you!

If this action of posting out-takes should not be allowed, then D&L should make a rule. Until then, people should be free to post whatever images they want without being harrased by abusive members.

BTW, I'm very surprised byebosh is still here. Nice way to treat the new members. Way to go.

elsapo

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

08/10/2004 12:18:44 AM · #33

I don't think its a "BIG" deal...its kinda like this Feet everyone posted examples of feet...is it not almost the same thing???

08/10/2004 12:19:20 AM · #34

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Maybe since he hasn't been around so long he should have asked if it was ok first or if it would offend anyone before starting a thread like this.

I have seen other threads like this, I assumed it was ok. I don't remember them being flamed or anything like that either.

Could be because they weren't started with an entire day left before the voting started, and were started in the last hour or so before the voting began.

Could also be they only posted one photo and not THREE.

Or maybe it has to do with your choice of titles for the thread....you were asking for everyone to post their outtakes LONG before the voting begins and as you can tell here thats not to well accepted around here.

Bran-O-Rama

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/10/2004 12:19:34 AM · #35

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Technically, he didn't share the images.. he shared the links to them. This is almost crossing the line, but should not be a punishable offense. If the images were directly in this thread, then it poses the risk that an unsuspecting viewer may see it if they accidentally opened this thread.

If anyone is so sensitive to the fact that judging may be influenced by releasing premature images, I think common sense needs to be applied. Anyone who isn't going to be swayed either way would most likely not even bother reading a thread like this or viewing the images. To the people that WOULD alter their submissions or opinions of entries before submissions were over and voting has ended need to exercise better judgement.

mandyp

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

08/10/2004 12:20:41 AM · #36

It was unfortunate timing, that's all. I'd much prefer that people wait until a challenge has at least started. I don't think these threads should be stopped, but it's at least nice to everyone else to be careful when they are started.

08/10/2004 12:23:46 AM · #37

Originally posted by elsapo:

I don't think its a "BIG" deal...its kinda like this Feet everyone posted examples of feet...is it not almost the same thing???

For the most part those weren't outtakes they were either things taken for other challenges or already in DPCPrints. That thread would be like going back through Macro I, II, and II archives and looking to see what has been done before...not like this thread of saying oh look what I didn't enter.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/10/2004 12:26:20 AM · #38

Originally posted by mandyp:

EXACTLY!!!! And 26 hours before the voting isn't careful.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/10/2004 12:26:28 AM · #39

Originally posted by mariomel:

If this action of posting out-takes should not be allowed, then D&L should make a rule. Until then, people should be free to post whatever images they want without being harrased by abusive members.

Since I'm one of the people who has to judge whether people have been abusive, I'm not sure how effective the strategy of reporting it will be, especially since I've already linked to this thread for Site Council discussion : )

I don't think anyone's been flamed, harrassed or abused in this thread. People (including myself) have posted perfectly open and honest statements of their thoughts, feeling, and opinions without any name-calling or profanity. That there is a strong and sincere disagreement of opinion is not the same as abuse.

I came to this thread precisely because there have been SEVERAL recent threads of the same nature, to the point where is was becoming so obvious a problem that even the SC was forced to divert its attention from DQing actual entries to talk about a permanent DQ on posting challenge-related images before the challenge is over.

It seems like a no-brainer courtesy to me, and it has been discussed (and complained about) MANY times here. I don't think you should find it surprising that people are finding it frustrating.

I repeat my question, why should photos not in the challenge get preferrential treatment over the actual entries?

kcwhisper379

Kodak DX6490

08/10/2004 12:27:52 AM · #40

This may be off subject but I don't really see a vanishing point in any of these photos. Maybe that's why they are outtakes. I don't really care to comment on the argument. I just like pictures.

dwolff

Nikon 1 J1

08/10/2004 12:28:11 AM · #41

I don't think there is anything wrong with posting outtakes, just as long as it isn't a "hint" of what your submitted photo is. And if there wasn't that thread with examples, I would have been totally lost. I just can't post any of mine because, as I said before, anyone who looked at my outtakes could easily tell which ones were mine. And as for soliciting advise, I thought that what this site was for.

parrothead

Canon EOS-40D

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

08/10/2004 12:28:35 AM · #42

WOW!!! I think we get the damn point! Take the sticks outta your asses now! Dont look if ya dont wanna see, and be happy with what you enter! I really dont care if I win or not, but it is a CHALLENGE(hence the name) to get good feedback! I guess that uptight, unfriendly people isn't a part of the name for a reason! So.........ya'll wanna se my out-takes????

elsapo

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

08/10/2004 12:30:07 AM · #43

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by elsapo:
I don't think its a "BIG" deal...its kinda like this Feet everyone posted examples of feet...is it not almost the same thing???

For the most part those weren't outtakes they were either things taken for other challenges or already in DPCPrints. That thread would be like going back through Macro I, II, and II archives and looking to see what has been done before...not like this thread of saying oh look what I didn't enter.

a photo taken 1 yr ago, 3 months ago or this week,...its still a photo with an idea....i guess its just me..and sorry for getting involved lol (probably shouldn't have)....good night everyone, sleep good

mariomel

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/10/2004 12:33:03 AM · #44

I agree. Get some rest. This problem will STILL be here tomorrow.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/10/2004 12:34:11 AM · #45

Originally posted by dwolff:

I'm going to repeat myself on this...

When you post an outtake prior to voting how can you honestly know that no one else has a similar image?

As for thread examples, often they are from other challenges or from DPCPrints and are examples of past work...things anyone could easily find. Outtakes are a whole different subject. If I was showing off my outtake and it was better than your submitted shot wouldn't you want to do something about it? You'd go back and reshoot or else unsubmit it in either way the overall outcome of the challenge will be effected.

There are other sites out there were you could go to post your outtakes and receive excellent comments. I know of a site that several members use and I don't find anything wrong with that cause they aren't influencing voting here.

Message edited by author 2004-08-10 00:37:17.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/10/2004 12:35:43 AM · #46

Originally posted by mariomel:

I agree. Get some rest. This problem will STILL be here tomorrow.

{Organizational} Stability: Facing the same contradictions, year after year.
--Steve Brown

parrothead

Canon EOS-40D

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

08/10/2004 12:38:49 AM · #47

Blah blah blah de Fu**ing blah! Be creative and be happy! Its IS not a contest! It is a critique! It would be nice to win...but who cares! I cherish the comments I get on how to make my photography better, more than I would, or do cherish a virtual medal!

TooCool

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

08/10/2004 12:40:13 AM · #48

Wow a thread that is argumentative and I'm not involved! :-P

General and OSS, I'm with you on this one all the way. I personally don't think that outtakes should be allowed to be shown till after the contest is over. That is when all voting is done.

As for parrothead, maybe you need to get your head out of YOUR ass... The OSS & GeneralE have been here far longer than I have been and if it's possible they are even more passionate about this site than I am. If they seem to be coming on a little strong, it is because they have seen this type of thread in the past become a problem...

Message edited by author 2004-08-10 00:41:10.

digistoune

Canon EOS-20D

08/10/2004 12:40:33 AM · #49

Oh gee, I probably shouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole BUT... I posted an outtake from the macro challenge while the voting was in progress. I got some great feedback on how to improve the shot and I really appreciated the folks who took the time to help. However, in the future, I think I will wait until the voting is over and winners are declared before I post a challenge related photo just because I felt kinda guilty afterwards that I might have distracted voters from making comments on the entered images. I don't expect everyone to adhere to what I'm doing - it's just my personal policy.