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03/28/2013 01:54:43 PM · #501 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
why is pork such a filthy animal when crabs and lobsters are bottom feeders and considered fish, beer is unacceptable but wine is ok? |
Lobsters and crabs are not considered "fish" under the rules of eating Kosher -- they are as forbidden as pork. The latter prohibition likely derived from the observance that pigs were the only animals routinely eaten by humans which carry the larvae of the parasite which causes trichinosis in its meat, and could thus make people sartiously ill with an excruciatingly painful disease.
FWIW I've heard that there are pig farms in Israel, where the animals live their entire lives on raised wooden platforms, because the law says that "no pigs shall be raised on the soil of Israel" ...
Originally posted by JH:
Actually, the most offensive meat I could eat tomorrow would be Pork Chops. Washed down with beer. Are there any deities who wouldn't be offended by that menu? |
Zeus, Odin, and (especially) Bacchus would be right there chomping and guzzling with you.
If you want to offend the Old Testament God, try scallops wrapped with bacon. I'm not sure what the problem is with beer, except this week (Passover) when anything containing leaven (yeast, grain) is forbidden -- otherwise beer is fine -- one birthday I was given a bottle of HeBrew beer ... |
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03/28/2013 02:04:22 PM · #502 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you want to offend the Old Testament God, try scallops wrapped with bacon. I'm not sure what the problem is with beer, except this week (Passover) when anything containing leaven (yeast, grain) is forbidden -- otherwise beer is fine -- one birthday I was given a bottle of HeBrew beer ... |
I think the "beer" reference was to Islam's proscription against alcohol. He's an equal-opportunity offender. |
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03/28/2013 02:13:02 PM · #503 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you want to offend the Old Testament God, try scallops wrapped with bacon. I'm not sure what the problem is with beer, except this week (Passover) when anything containing leaven (yeast, grain) is forbidden -- otherwise beer is fine -- one birthday I was given a bottle of HeBrew beer ... |
I think the "beer" reference was to Islam's proscription against alcohol. He's an equal-opportunity offender. |
I was targeting the Abrahamic religions. I've got to think some more about the menu for the Hellenistic and Eastern ones.
Although... scallops wrapped with bacon. Now there's an idea. |
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03/28/2013 02:54:46 PM · #504 |
Originally posted by JH:
I was targeting the Abrahamic religions. I've got to think some more about the menu for the Hellenistic and Eastern ones.
Although... scallops wrapped with bacon. Now there's an idea. |
There are three Abrahamic religions: in chronological order, they are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam... |
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03/28/2013 02:55:46 PM · #505 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Stagolee:
can anyone please tell me why I am not supposed to eat red meat on Good Friday ???? |
The rules have changed over the centuries, starting with general fasting on many days throughout the year. By the 1500's we were up to a limit of one lunch a day during Lent, and then evening snacks were allowed, and by the early 20th century it was just fasting during Lent with abstinence on Friday and Saturday with fewer people required to participate. Ireland was permitted to move the Saturday abstinence to Wednesdays, and the U.S. was exempt from Saturdays but were only allowed meat once a day throughout the week. In America, the Friday after Thanksgiving was dropped so we could have leftovers, and the the current voluntary 'no-meat-on-Fridays' and fasting on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday was decreed by Pope Paul VI in 1966. Chicken counts as meat, but not chicken broth or beef gravy and fish are OK. Sounds like a bunch of made up rules? You betcha.
Here's an interesting history on the fish aspect. |
So no chicken! |
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03/28/2013 03:05:24 PM · #506 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There are three Abrahamic religions: in chronological order, they are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam... |
Shouldn't those be AbraNOTham? |
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03/28/2013 03:23:14 PM · #507 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by JH:
I was targeting the Abrahamic religions. I've got to think some more about the menu for the Hellenistic and Eastern ones.
Although... scallops wrapped with bacon. Now there's an idea. |
There are three Abrahamic religions: in chronological order, they are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam... |
Yes I've got these three with the scallops, pork and beer. But the Greek, Roman and Hindu gods could be more difficult to offend. |
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03/28/2013 03:28:31 PM · #508 |
Greek and Roman are easy, just being human pisses them off, as far an Hindu, be angry for the day or step on a bug.
Message edited by author 2013-03-28 15:28:53. |
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03/28/2013 07:23:54 PM · #509 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Meat is murder, tasty, tasty, tasty, murder. |
... and so is eating veggies. Plants have feelings you know.
Ray |
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03/28/2013 10:52:03 PM · #510 |
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03/28/2013 11:08:19 PM · #511 |
Posted while you were typing. ;) |
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03/29/2013 02:10:42 AM · #512 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Stagolee:
can anyone please tell me why I am not supposed to eat red meat on Good Friday ???? |
The rules have changed over the centuries, starting with general fasting on many days throughout the year. By the 1500's we were up to a limit of one lunch a day during Lent, and then evening snacks were allowed, and by the early 20th century it was just fasting during Lent with abstinence on Friday and Saturday with fewer people required to participate. Ireland was permitted to move the Saturday abstinence to Wednesdays, and the U.S. was exempt from Saturdays but were only allowed meat once a day throughout the week. In America, the Friday after Thanksgiving was dropped so we could have leftovers, and the the current voluntary 'no-meat-on-Fridays' and fasting on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday was decreed by Pope Paul VI in 1966. Chicken counts as meat, but not chicken broth or beef gravy and fish are OK. Sounds like a bunch of made up rules? You betcha.
Here's an interesting history on the fish aspect. |
Ok That helps me understand things better. By the way that link is to a fantastic web-site....love this story: Mealworms
might try these instead of fish. |
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03/29/2013 02:36:57 AM · #513 |
Since gradeschool catechism (nearly 50 years ago) I was told the Friday fish requirement was due to supporting/promoting the fishing industry in the historical past. Never due to a biblical requirement.
I have never felt that eating fish on Friday was part of one's salvation nor sinful if one didn't comply. I don't feel damned for meat I've eaten nor am I fearful of going to Hell for not fasting. I like the tradition, I participate in the tradition, and it really doesn't matter to me how it came to be. I don't think catholicism or the chruch are evil because they involed themselves in politics or commerce. I don't care that some can find fault with some church teachings. Some people will nitpic a nat's ass hair to find fault. So is life. |
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03/29/2013 02:48:23 AM · #514 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Flash:
The Bible says what the Bible says - period. And it doesn't matter if you quote a King James, a New Jeruselum, an NIV - it still says the same thing. Amazing really - that a book so reviled and so full of contradictions is nearly identical version to version to version regardless of the scholars who translated it. |
Hilarious. The primary basis for a 'father-son-holy ghost' trinity doesn't match up in the two bibles you noted. At least the NIV has enough honesty to point out that the text you believe was so faithfully copied is "not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century." |
Here you go again. Re-writing my comments to suit your criticism of Scripture.
1. I never claimed there were zero diffferences bewteen the versions.
2. I claimed that the versions are remarkably the same for being translated by different scholars.
3. I claimed that one could go line by line and arrive at the same message - regardless of version used.
4. I claimed that the same theological problems are included in each version.
5. I claimed that it is worthy of consideration that different scholars arrived at the same message. Therefore the message is worthy of examination and deep thought.
Some may choose to dismiss it completely. That is their choice. Freewill - we have.
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03/29/2013 02:56:40 AM · #515 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Posted while you were typing. ;) |
What is particularly noteworthy is the specific inclusion of women in this traditionally "men only" ritual. This Pope is already on record as supporting a male only priesthood. There seems to be a keen awareness/understanding of the "mesasage" of christ...and a committment to "live" it. |
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03/29/2013 05:46:25 PM · #516 |
Happy Good Friday! Couldn't get the scallops. But it has the bacon slice, beer, and I made sure I was angry when I was eating it.
https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A9JtdOXmJR541c;0B5CCB79-F681-4DCE-9FB3-855C0351C5CB
Also testing to see if this iCloud photo stream really works. |
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03/29/2013 06:29:08 PM · #517 |
Originally posted by JH:
Also testing to see if this iCloud photo stream really works. |
The link connects, but then it just hangs and never loads an image in my older browsers -- someone with a more up-to-date version may have a better result. |
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03/29/2013 07:05:46 PM · #518 |
Yeah it looked a bit browser-heavy alright. T'was a shot of my lunchtime burger.
Pity apple doesn't give a nice way to get a link to the jpg instead of all that flash stuff. |
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03/29/2013 07:08:21 PM · #519 |
Originally posted by JH:
Yeah it looked a bit browser-heavy alright. T'was a shot of my lunchtime burger.
Pity apple doesn't give a nice way to get a link to the jpg instead of all that flash stuff. |
Wait -- I thought Apple didn't support Flash on its mobile devices ... |
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03/29/2013 07:36:57 PM · #520 |
| Its not flash. Probably html5 |
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04/01/2013 12:51:16 PM · #521 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
You can learn something from religion. True religion follows natural law. |
I read this and thought to myself, if indeed Christian truly believed this, why did pursue the native populations of the Americas so much. The natives that I have encountered over the years were very much followers of natural law and to this date have values that would put many to shame.
Please enlighten me  Nullix'
Ray |
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07/02/2013 05:48:45 PM · #522 |
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07/02/2013 06:16:30 PM · #523 |
As time goes on you guys look more and more like a religion. Per the title of this thread, y'all seem to be learning well. :) |
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07/02/2013 06:23:48 PM · #524 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
As time goes on you guys look more and more like a religion. Per the title of this thread, y'all seem to be learning well. :) |
Heck, we even have a couple of organized churches. Only a matter of time before that goes south eh?
Frankly, the monument is something I like and hate, but that's because it's an attack on Christianity, not really a monument to atheism.
Obviously I'm a frothing critic of Christians (and others), so I do like the direct criticisms, but it would have maybe been better to avoid any reference to Christians or any other group, and simply extol the virtues of atheism. |
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07/02/2013 06:35:25 PM · #525 |
| It does come off a sour grapes from a few cranks. The atheist display next to the Christmas display in Olympia is the same way. |
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