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04/03/2012 11:20:25 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Popsicle du nord ? |
Nah, Snow Central oughta do it, going by the number of Americans who STILL show up in the middle of August with skiis on their roof racks :-) |
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04/03/2012 11:26:50 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
so do the majority of people work for the govmt |
In Ottawa, yes. But now that there are going to be 19000 civil service jobs cut, that's going to change things drastically. |
Actually, I just got some numbers from the census here:
//www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt65a-eng.htm
It looks to me as if 53% of the populace are government employees, which leaves the remaining 47% to support those freeloaders.
19,000 is negligible, and does not change the percentage.
Message edited by author 2012-04-03 11:29:30.
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04/03/2012 11:29:57 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
so do the majority of people work for the govmt |
In Ottawa, yes. But now that there are going to be 19000 civil service jobs cut, that's going to change things drastically. |
Actually, I just got some numbers from the census here:
//www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt65a-eng.htm
It looks to me as if 53% of the populace are government employees, which leaves the remaining 47% to support those freeloaders. |
Wow, I expected the percentage to be pretty high here in Ottawa area, but for the whole country...all 33 million of us...wow. |
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04/03/2012 11:33:11 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
so do the majority of people work for the govmt |
In Ottawa, yes. But now that there are going to be 19000 civil service jobs cut, that's going to change things drastically. |
Actually, I just got some numbers from the census here:
//www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt65a-eng.htm
It looks to me as if 53% of the populace are government employees, which leaves the remaining 47% to support those freeloaders. |
Wow, I expected the percentage to be pretty high here in Ottawa area, but for the whole country...all 33 million of us...wow. |
I think I've goofed somehow on that link??? It makes it look as the the population of Canada is ~7million, not 33million. Any help on a real stat would be appreciated/interesting. I tend to make stats up to suit my needs.
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04/03/2012 11:37:13 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by RyanWareham:
... Friendly McAwesomeVille. |
Originally posted by sfalice:
... Popsicle du nord ? |
Originally posted by snaffles:
... Snow Central... |
Poutineland?
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04/03/2012 11:53:06 AM · #31 |
Not everyone can work for the govmt...or be on welfare...or take subsidies. Someone has to pay money in. Smaller govmt is better for the health of any country.
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04/03/2012 01:07:02 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Not everyone can work for the govmt...or be on welfare...or take subsidies. Someone has to pay money in. Smaller govmt is better for the health of any country. |
True, not everyone does work for the govt, nor can everyone be on welfare or have a piece of various subsidies that exist. However, even govt employees pay into the tax system, and we have money deducted from our paycheques to pay for extended medical and dental. That is my response to your first statement.
Onto your second statement --I am afraid I must ask questions, instead of give a response as I presently don't understand what you are getting at. Thus, I must ask:
1. What do you think is "small govt"? (please try to address mundane areas such as roads and infrastructure, like sewer, water, electrical)
2. On what information or evidence do you base the notion that 'small govt' is better for the health of 'any' country. Please give concrete examples, preferrably including international data, and not anecdotes.
Thanks! |
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04/03/2012 01:40:12 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by NathanWert:
Come to New Hampshire. We're tax free too.
Personally, I think that sooner or later we're going to annex both Canada and Mexico. |
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Todos los Estado Unidos Norteamericanos |
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04/03/2012 01:43:39 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by NathanWert:
Come to New Hampshire. We're tax free too.
Personally, I think that sooner or later we're going to annex both Canada and Mexico. |
New Hampshire is full of ambition. |
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04/03/2012 01:47:30 PM · #35 |
when I said "small govmt" I was not implying no govmt. There has to be govmt. There needs to be infrastructure maintenence and improvements. There has to be law enforcement, military defense, etc. There is a lot of redundancy as far as govmt programs and agencies. So there are a lot of employees that are doing the exact same job as another agency. Part of the prob with the world economy, and I am not referring to just the US, their are too many chiefs and not enough Indians. (This means...too many people getting benefits and not enough people paying into the system.)
As far as finding proof via the internet, I am at work right now I will have to look it up later.
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04/03/2012 01:54:58 PM · #36 |
| Too many Americans confuse "limited government" as defined in the Constitution with "small" government. The Constitution places limits on the powers of the Federal government, it does not require it to be small or large. |
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04/03/2012 02:04:54 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by NathanWert:
Come to New Hampshire. We're tax free too.
Personally, I think that sooner or later we're going to annex both Canada and Mexico. |
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Depends on what China wants to call you. . . :P |
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04/03/2012 02:11:48 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
when I said "small govmt" I was not implying no govmt. There has to be govmt. There needs to be infrastructure maintenence and improvements. There has to be law enforcement, military defense, etc. There is a lot of redundancy as far as govmt programs and agencies. So there are a lot of employees that are doing the exact same job as another agency. Part of the prob with the world economy, and I am not referring to just the US, their are too many chiefs and not enough Indians. (This means...too many people getting benefits and not enough people paying into the system.)
As far as finding proof via the internet, I am at work right now I will have to look it up later. |
What you mean is too many middle managers in government. There are too few front-line/low-level people as everybody wants to "move up the corporate ladder". I'm one of the people who's happy to be a 'front liner' because when my work shift ends i leave it all at the office and go home without more work to do.
There are areas where there are a problem with too many managers doing the same job with the same groups, but to say that the government is busy duplicating work is false. In a perfect world society would govern itself in a smart, effective manner. Since we're human beings and incapable of the statement in my previous sentence we have a system of checks and balances in the officiating body. Some redundancies are necessary to make sure things are working as intended so that everybody gets fair treatment. Your statement could be said of your kidneys and lungs - you only need one to survive, why have a redundant organ? It helps things work better and functions as the sole item in the event the other one has a problem, and because they can work towards the same goal it lessens the load of work required by each. :)
Message edited by author 2012-04-03 14:12:31. |
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04/03/2012 02:27:59 PM · #39 |
I interviewed a recent college grad for a job and asked him where he thought he'd be in 5 years. His earnest reply? "In five years, I should be a Sr. VP or the CEO of the company." I had to stifle my urge to laugh in his face.
Nobody wants to put their time in at the bottom. They're used to the "everyone gets a prize" mentality. |
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04/03/2012 02:39:18 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
I interviewed a recent college grad for a job and asked him where he thought he'd be in 5 years. His earnest reply? "In five years, I should be a Sr. VP or the CEO of the company." I had to stifle my urge to laugh in his face.
Nobody wants to put their time in at the bottom. They're used to the "everyone gets a prize" mentality. |
This is really where I was heading with my last statement. People have become welfare hungry. Give me something for nothing. It would be great to start at the top. There have to be workers.
Oh and on the welfare thing. I think we should have a "working welfare" system. If you collect welfare, you recieve a job. If you are not skilled at that job, you will be trained. And yes I am talking about road construction, trash collectors, water / sewer workers. As these people start realizing what life is about....then they will try to succeed and get better jobs or higher paying jobs. To make a long story short people will start realizing that things aren't free and they should work to meet their goals.
ok I am off my soapbox
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04/03/2012 02:45:50 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I interviewed a recent college grad for a job and asked him where he thought he'd be in 5 years. His earnest reply? "In five years, I should be a Sr. VP or the CEO of the company." I had to stifle my urge to laugh in his face.
Nobody wants to put their time in at the bottom. They're used to the "everyone gets a prize" mentality. |
This is really where I was heading with my last statement. People have become welfare hungry. Give me something for nothing. It would be great to start at the top. There have to be workers.
Oh and on the welfare thing. I think we should have a "working welfare" system. If you collect welfare, you recieve a job. If you are not skilled at that job, you will be trained. And yes I am talking about road construction, trash collectors, water / sewer workers. As these people start realizing what life is about....then they will try to succeed and get better jobs or higher paying jobs. To make a long story short people will start realizing that things aren't free and they should work to meet their goals.
ok I am off my soapbox |
I will give the kid plus points in two areas; He was confident and his mom didn't call me. |
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04/03/2012 03:11:16 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by NathanWert:
Come to New Hampshire. We're tax free too.
Personally, I think that sooner or later we're going to annex both Canada and Mexico. |
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Depends on what China wants to call you. . . :P |
Oh, yeah, China may already have dibs on Alberta. Sorry USA, you snooze, you lose.
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04/03/2012 03:14:42 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Two choices:
1. Detroit Del Norte
2. Mistake
We'd love to annex you folks, but we are too busy fighting over whether or not to make every US citizen buy health insurance, and whether or not to check to see who is, and who isn't a citizen in the first place. (Not expressing an opinion on either issue...) |
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04/03/2012 03:46:50 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I don't think there's ever been an angry Canadian... |
Uhm, have you ever watched Vancouver play hockey? THERE are some angry Canadians.... |
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04/03/2012 03:54:25 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Two choices:
1. Detroit Del Norte
2. Mistake
We'd love to annex you folks, but we are too busy fighting over whether or not to make every US citizen buy health insurance, and whether or not to check to see who is, and who isn't a citizen in the first place. (Not expressing an opinion on either issue...) |
Well if you turn off the internet that would free up about 100 hours each week per person, which may be enough to actually get some work done. |
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04/03/2012 05:54:18 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
so do the majority of people work for the govmt |
In Ottawa, yes. But now that there are going to be 19000 civil service jobs cut, that's going to change things drastically. |
Actually, I just got some numbers from the census here:
//www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt65a-eng.htm
It looks to me as if 53% of the populace are government employees, which leaves the remaining 47% to support those freeloaders.
19,000 is negligible, and does not change the percentage. |
... and then there was This Chart which included all public sector employees, and apparently represents approximately 20% of the total working force..
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04/03/2012 06:04:17 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by ancientimages:
Originally posted by tanguera:
I don't think there's ever been an angry Canadian... |
Uhm, have you ever watched Vancouver play hockey? THERE are some angry Canadians.... |
Actually, the angry (substitute stupid if you wish) are those who set buildings ablaze, overturn and torch police cars and loot stores after losing the Stanley Cup.
Ray |
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04/03/2012 06:05:48 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
... health insurance plan(S), |
I'd buy insurance.
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...dental plans |
Canucks have to buy that, I don't have one.
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...and prescription plans. |
Canucks have to buy that, I don't have one.
Suckling form the public teat may get public servants dental and prescription plans, but not working in the real world. |
Just a personal theory, but I feel that maybe the reason it's called 'the new world', especially now that the anglophone enclaves of North America are a couple of old farts denying whatever is new with the world, is that it is not real. |
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04/03/2012 10:11:35 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by NathanWert:
Come to New Hampshire. We're tax free too.
Personally, I think that sooner or later we're going to annex both Canada and Mexico. |
What will the US name Canada once it's annexed? |
Depends on what China wants to call you. . . :P |
Oh, yeah, China may already have dibs on Alberta. Sorry USA, you snooze, you lose. |
China already owns most of the United States anyway. |
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