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08/07/2004 08:46:47 AM · #1 |
Someone has a picture (Miniature challenge) I want to give a really nice score to, however I can't find the miniature object in it. Whats a girl to do??
Does "This picture has been validated" mean they checked to see the photo wasn't digitally altered, beyond the scope of the rules, to get the effect?
I looked for FAQ's but did not find. If they are somewhere, I would appreciate a link from someone.
Thanks in advance for answering my newbie questions.
Message edited by author 2004-08-07 09:05:28. |
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08/07/2004 09:04:12 AM · #2 |
Quoting from the rules, emphasis as in original:
While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly. |
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08/07/2004 09:08:10 AM · #3 |
Okay, I understand. I guess I won't find out if there actually is a miniature in the picture and maybe I didn't know it.
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08/07/2004 11:29:06 AM · #4 |
| I have a similar problem within the "BLUE" challenge. One splendid shot do not meet the challenge as there is nothing in it related to "BLUE". So I decided to NOT vote for it. With tons of regrets of course. |
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08/07/2004 11:49:35 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Patoch:
So I decided to NOT vote for it. With tons of regrets of course. |
IMHO, that is not an appropriate thing to do. You should vote on all images in the challenge whenever possible, and if a photo does not meet the challenge, then it should be voted so accordingly. "Meeting the challenge" is a key aspect of this site and the rules explicitly state that the challenge topic should be given the highest consideration when voting. DPC is not a "general" photography competition each week, and off-topic photos should not be ignored or voted highly. |
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08/07/2004 01:31:04 PM · #6 |
I did vote for the photo. I gave it a mediocre rating, however if it had a met the topic I would have given it a high score.
How do you know who's work is who's? |
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08/07/2004 01:37:11 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Pixel Lady:
I did vote for the photo. I gave it a mediocre rating, however if it had a met the topic I would have given it a high score.
How do you know who's work is who's? |
You don't till voting is over - that's the point |
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08/07/2004 01:49:58 PM · #8 |
Gotcha! I guess that would alleviate favoritism (so to speak).
Thanks for all the input. |
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08/07/2004 02:14:34 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Patoch:
So I decided to NOT vote for it. With tons of regrets of course. |
IMHO, that is not an appropriate thing to do. You should vote on all images in the challenge whenever possible, and if a photo does not meet the challenge, then it should be voted so accordingly. "Meeting the challenge" is a key aspect of this site and the rules explicitly state that the challenge topic should be given the highest consideration when voting. DPC is not a "general" photography competition each week, and off-topic photos should not be ignored or voted highly. |
I prefer Pixel Lady's honest dilemma "Someone has a picture (Miniature challenge) I want to give a really nice score to, however I can't find the miniature object in it. Whats a girl to do??" to rightous action. She, after all, is questioning topicality after examining the facts available to her. Faulting the same submission on suspicion of failing to meet the challenge is what I'd call a rightous prejudice.
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08/07/2004 03:37:21 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Pixel Lady:
I did vote for the photo. I gave it a mediocre rating, however if it had a met the topic I would have given it a high score.
How do you know who's work is who's? |
I hope you left that individual a comment to let them know you liked the shot, but could not find the subject. Comments like that are amoung the most helpful for those wishing to know how their presentation came across.
David
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08/07/2004 03:41:50 PM · #11 |
Britannica,
I did exactly as you suggest! I was wondering if they responded during the challenge, would I be able to go back and up my score...if indeed I overlooked the miniature item. I keep looking at it and have asked someone else in my home, to no avail.
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08/08/2004 04:01:44 AM · #12 |
I changed my mind and voted anyway, but low, for this nice shot ;o( and let a clear comment for the photographer. Maybe we can come back on this point after the voting period ?
Thank you for your advice.
Patrick
Message edited by author 2004-08-08 04:03:06. |
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08/08/2004 07:02:58 AM · #13 |
| my goal is to comment on at least 20%. i start commenting on the ones i would give the lowest scores, especially those i feel do not meet the challenge. if the image looks like effort went into it, and i just don't get it, i say so. many times, i've been pm'd with an explanation that has justified my going back and bumping my vote. |
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08/08/2004 07:24:57 AM · #14 |
just remember... don't let your view of what "meets the challenge" get in the way of your voting- because you could possibly someone who is so stuck to the literal meaning of everything that you lose sight of just voting for the best photograph. Everyone should be a little less "sticklery" about this stuff...
caveat- this comes from someone who either enters shots completely unrelated to the challenge, or completely misunderstood concepts. |
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08/08/2004 08:52:52 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
my goal is to comment on at least 20%. i start commenting on the ones i would give the lowest scores, especially those i feel do not meet the challenge. if the image looks like effort went into it, and i just don't get it, i say so. many times, i've been pm'd with an explanation that has justified my going back and bumping my vote. |
Interesting! I have only been pm'd once where the it has changed my view. I thought hard about it and decided not to alter my score for 2 reasons. 1) The photo should display what the photograher is trying to say and 2) I don't think that getting dialog from a photographer during the challenge should be used to up a score.
I'd like other views on it though.
Bob
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08/08/2004 09:05:40 AM · #16 |
"Interesting! I have only been pm'd once where the it has changed my view. I thought hard about it and decided not to alter my score for 2 reasons. 1) The photo should display what the photograher is trying to say"
Who is to say the photo is NOT displaying what the photographer is trying to say, and a person has misinterpreted it?? Other times people are narrow/closed minded and have a hard time, others are very literal.
"2) I don't think that getting dialog from a photographer during the challenge should be used to up a score."
Well IMHO, I would like to get feedback from the photographer. Seems to me like it may help me understand the misunderstood...but then again maybe not (in which case I would not change the score).
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08/08/2004 09:07:10 AM · #17 |
I've had alot of comments in the current challange and I appreciate that, but I would appreciate the comments more if they did just say, "this doesn't meet the challenge." That is not a very helpful comment. If I didn't convey my idea, that's something I'll keep in mind for next time. I am only learning, and useful comments on the actual photo, whether or not you think it meets the challenge can only help to improve, not just me but all who see the photo and read your comments.
My two cents worth. |
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08/08/2004 09:27:34 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
i just don't get it, i say so. many times, i've been pm'd with an explanation that has justified my going back and bumping my vote. |
Many consider this a violation of one of the site rules; they see such PM's as "pandering" for a higher vote. The rules state:
Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and a ban from the site
This includes sending PM's to commenters in an attempt to have them increase the vote given. (Not to mention that anonymity is lost.)
The reason for this is because it isn't fair to all the other entries in the challenge. You can't have a private dialogue with every photographer that has a challenge entry explaining how their image meets the challenge. The only fair thing to do is rate all photos without any outside influence or extra explanation.
Message edited by author 2004-08-08 09:30:21. |
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08/08/2004 09:31:03 AM · #19 |
EddyG, point well taken. Thank you for pointing this out, it DOES put a different perspective on things for me.
Off to re-read the rules... |
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08/08/2004 09:35:37 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by skiprow:
i just don't get it, i say so. many times, i've been pm'd with an explanation that has justified my going back and bumping my vote. |
Many consider this a violation of one of the site rules; they see such PM's as "pandering" for a higher vote. The rules state:
Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and a ban from the site
This includes sending PM's to commenters in an attempt to have them increase the vote given. (Not to mention that anonymity is lost.)
The reason for this is because it isn't fair to all the other entries in the challenge. You can't have a private dialogue with every photographer that has a challenge entry explaining how their image meets the challenge. The only fair thing to do is rate all photos without any outside influence or extra explanation. |
i've actually been pm'd by a site council member with an explanation that made a world of difference...it had to do with an object of significant recognition in a country outside the USA that i was completely unfamiliar with.
however, if pm'ing about photos during a competition is considered 'pandering', then the rules should be modified to say, 'Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way, including PMs from the photographer, for any photograph...'
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08/08/2004 09:50:25 AM · #21 |
| You shouldn't always need a specific rule to know what is the right thing to do, and to guide you to doing it. |
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08/08/2004 12:02:51 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
You shouldn't always need a specific rule to know what is the right thing to do, and to guide you to doing it. |
are you suggesting that your interpretation would be that the right thing to do would be to report anyone who pm's you during a challenge, and that the pm'er should lose their account and be banned from the site? |
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08/08/2004 12:15:54 PM · #23 |
| Many of the images I didn't find a minature object in, recieved a very low score. Many of them also recieved a comment saying that I didn't see the object as a miniature. |
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