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08/07/2004 03:31:57 PM · #26 |
So, Ron, are you going to be fair and balanced (I watch too much Fox News) and pick apart posts from people on your side too, or just the "loonies" on the left? ;-)
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08/07/2004 03:33:08 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The extreme left is simply anti-american and if you are going to defend their assertions at least be honest and say you hate America. |
You are one twisted up noodle. |
No-no. Number (35) Angering an opponent in order that he may argue badly (pp 146-147)
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
You really do sound like Falwell or Robbertson, constantly throwing out generalizations as if you have been under a rock for the last 50 years. |
No-no Number (34) Argument by forced analogy (pp 178-179) and Number (35) Angering an opponent in order that he may argue badly (pp 146-147).
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
I am on the left, I do not hate America. Stop saying that. |
Please???
Ron |
Ron buddy.. I dont think I need to "anger an apponent" in this case to make him argue badly... |
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08/07/2004 04:05:34 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by cbeller:
So, Ron, are you going to be fair and balanced (I watch too much Fox News) and pick apart posts from people on your side too, or just the "loonies" on the left? ;-) |
Since the only poster I've "picked apart" so far is MadMordegon, I am led to infer from your post that you are referring to him as one of the " "loonies" on the left". Am I correct? :-)
As for fair and balanced by MY use of the 38 Dishonest Trick to analyze his posts, I have consequently practically inviting others ( MadMordegon especially ) to do the same to my posts. It would be unfair to "dish it out" if I wasn't prepared to "take it". ( Note: I HAVE been called on a few posts in the past, and have accepted the rebukes which were so generously given to me, and am prepared to do so again, as warranted ).
Actually, I just picked on MadMordegon because 1) his posts were among the latest, 2) he actually invited everyone to analyze his posts against the 38 Dishonest Tricks, and 3) his style of posting made him a relatively easy target.
FWIW, I am not going to use the 38 Dishonest Tricks to pick apart his or anyone else's posts in the future. That was just an exercise to point out often and how many of those 38 Tricks are violated in these fora.
My apologies to MadMordegon for seeming to target him exclusively. That was not my intent - it's just that he is a frequent poster, and, as I said, his style lent itself more readily to my exercise.
Ron
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08/07/2004 04:23:23 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by cbeller:
So, Ron, are you going to be fair and balanced (I watch too much Fox News) and pick apart posts from people on your side too, or just the "loonies" on the left? ;-) |
Since the only poster I've "picked apart" so far is MadMordegon, I am led to infer from your post that you are referring to him as one of the " "loonies" on the left". Am I correct? :-)
As for fair and balanced by MY use of the 38 Dishonest Trick to analyze his posts, I have consequently practically inviting others ( MadMordegon especially ) to do the same to my posts. It would be unfair to "dish it out" if I wasn't prepared to "take it". ( Note: I HAVE been called on a few posts in the past, and have accepted the rebukes which were so generously given to me, and am prepared to do so again, as warranted ).
Actually, I just picked on MadMordegon because 1) his posts were among the latest, 2) he actually invited everyone to analyze his posts against the 38 Dishonest Tricks, and 3) his style of posting made him a relatively easy target.
FWIW, I am not going to use the 38 Dishonest Tricks to pick apart his or anyone else's posts in the future. That was just an exercise to point out often and how many of those 38 Tricks are violated in these fora.
My apologies to MadMordegon for seeming to target him exclusively. That was not my intent - it's just that he is a frequent poster, and, as I said, his style lent itself more readily to my exercise.
Ron |
One of the problems with this is, if you break down those rules you can pretty much rip up almost anyone’s post. We are humans on this board, not multi-processor logic programs. None of us are capable of a perfectly sound argument every time. |
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08/07/2004 09:57:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
So what you are saying is allow our regular freedom of human rights and the Terroist win, hands down. Can this not be seen?
Just how would you control the enemy within??? There is only one way a blanket restriction for all. Show a better way. |
Everything your saying is to the most extreme it could be. If Kerry is president the only main thing that will change, the thing that needs to change, is the head figure of the United States.
Half or more of the US dosnt respect him, the world does not respect him. We need the worlds help to fight terrorism. |
And if you believe that "the world" will suddenly line up to offer us whatever help we need in fighting terrorism if Mr. Heinz is elected, then I have this really nice bridge spanning the East River which I will sell to you for a really good price... |
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08/07/2004 10:27:36 PM · #31 |
The first thing that comes to my mind when I think of 'socialism' is universal health care. When I have to witness the growing reality of men, women and children going without shelter and sustenance, I think that, if nothing else, socialism would benefit them.
As to the "left", I honestly cannot say where, laterally, you should look for me. What I can say is that someone like Bush looks very "right' from my vantage. Just about anything, therefore, would look "left".
On graphicfunk's scale, or so it appears to me, liberals delineate the very left. I wonder if there is enough room (on that scale) to accomodate "leftists" a liberal would not consider "radical". I have to admit to never having found much use for the word "radical", personally - but then, I have never had to rule a country with an iron fist.
Message edited by author 2004-08-07 22:29:12.
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08/08/2004 01:23:32 AM · #32 |
Look: the group on the left make it a point to stick out like a sore thumb. What defines the Democrats today is the tiresome chorus that they hate Bush. This is their only weapon in this election. Now, to enter such a frenzied state, each of you have to abandon logic in favor of the emotions. This is why the well deserved name of looney left because you actually prove that you are driven by sheer emotions. We all know the blindness that follows. Logic flushed down the toilet.
So, you blink at each other and you come up with detastable looney ideas and then you swiftly attribute them to Bush. Notice how these very looneys are the only ones entitled to a brain. They scream like maniacs, yeah, Bush is not the sharpest tool in the shed. You see, you folks are the ones with the knowledge and education and that French finese. You have a vast knowledge which grips the very crux of human suffering. You understand more deeply because you are naturally gifted.
You would prefer a well spoken car salesmen like Clinton because he feels your pain and he knows the trial and tribulations of the species. You would all rather be lied to as long as it is done in an intelligent manner.
At the root of it all is nothing more than a misconception and a smugnes which is suppose to pass as intelligence. After all, most of you are the product of the Looney Professors who have spent more time in teaching you social engineering. You forget the price that brave men paid to secure this experiment known as America. There has never been anything like it in the face of the earth. But it required the blood of many men to secure you this great experiment and the blood to keep it.
Socialism and communism does not work. It falls on its rear.
I know, this country is too brutal because it does not take into account the equation of human suffering. There is no government that can do this. Whoever has tried it, failed. Yet, this great country does more for human suffering than any other country on the face of the earth. We feed more people and out poor are suffering from a weight problem. The age old phenomena of poverty remains at a ratio. However, this country will allow the expansion of the self because of the inherent freedoms which the left wants to elimate.
Come on, make like your dream came true and that your social ideas flourished. What do you see? Competition is gone. No need to have alternate brands. Fancy restautants are not needed and Hollywood would not be allowed independent budgets. Like I said earlier, only two style cameras needed. One for the pro and one for the amateur. Health care is now a bigger problem because there is no incentive to become a surgeon or specialist. Then the lines would go around the block and you may have to wait months and years for your needed operation. The drug companies are now reduced to one but without competition there is no cutting edge technology.
You see, I do not envision America shrinking to such a parcel. |
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