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 08/07/2004 10:53:19 PM · #26
Why are you guys even wasting your time with this guy? Clearly he is being closed minded to digital. This is a digital site. Go away if you aren't interested in digital photography!!!
 08/07/2004 11:35:27 PM · #27
Originally posted by Alexx:
Originally posted by louddog:
Since steroids are banned, and digital cameras are perfectly legal, maybe you should think a little harder at your next analogy. Next time try Album - CD, VHS - DVD, Horse and buggy - car, cans & string - cell phone...


Ok lets. Album vs CD, Album has MORE dynamic range, you just never hear it because you didn't own the right stuff. Doesn't mean that records are better, just different. But wouldn't it be weird if some website only played CD originated music and rejected album originated music. You would, probably, think it weird.

VHS - DVD, Vhs, in many instances it's easier to search a VHS, again, if you own the right VHS machine. Not all DVD's are created equal. I saw someone try and find a shot and it took much longer trying to navigate the chapter skips and determine what speed to use to locate the shot. It would have been much quicker to simply fast forward to the area they knew it was in and the do a visual high speed search on a VHS. Instead they kept chapter skipping and stopping, kept overshooting the spot, "rewinding" too much, and repeating the whole mess again and again. Most people end up using a speed that is no faster, and usually slower, than what A Video can do. Doesn't mean that Video is better, just different.

Horse and Buggy versus car. You are an absolute idiot if you think that cars are superior in all instances to a horse and buggy. Check back in fifty years and we'll see on that one.

Can string - cell phone, tell that to someone trapped in a building. None of your examples are absolutes. But your attitude that they are absolutes are what is wrong about sites like this. It's a smug attitude that belies the past and acts like there is only one course to take.


Hmmm... You make some really good points and I don't at all disagree with you. Too bad I never said digital was better then film and never said any of those things were better then the other. I simply said they would make better analogys. What do they say about people that assume?

08/08/2004 01:16:25 AM · #28
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by Alexx:
So a film originated image that is "digitized" is no longer a film image?

That is exactly what I am saying. What you would have is digital photograph of a film print. And, most likely, much of what you like about the film print will have been lost in the transfer.

Originally posted by Alexx:
I don't agree with that, that's like saying a digital image is no longer a digital image once it's printed on paper.

That is also true. A print made from a digital image is a print, and not a digital image. You cannot make a digital image using an analog device such as a printer. And again, much of what you like about the digital photograph will have been lost in the transfer.


But that means that digital only exists because electricity exists.

So you are guys just may be space aliens afterall, and that picture of the alien coming out of the sink drain proves it!
 08/08/2004 02:05:47 AM · #29
Originally posted by Alexx:
But that means that digital only exists because electricity exists.

Yup.

Originally posted by Alexx:
So you are guys just may be space aliens afterall, and that picture of the alien coming out of the sink drain proves it!

Riiiight... uhh, I gotta go now.

08/08/2004 02:43:29 AM · #30
Originally posted by Alexx:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I probably see about 5 pictures a year that haven't been digitally enhanced to one degree or another.

Almost all film is digital at one point or another these days too.

E.g., any print you get from walmart is digital, no matter what you give them - film or CF card.


Then why exlude film at all?


Because you would have to digitise it to upload it (or try and push the paper through the telephone lines) ;)
"Opps typo again"

Message edited by author 2004-08-08 02:44:15.
 08/08/2004 12:30:58 PM · #31
So digital only exists because electricity exists? Without electricity, there is no digital. The moment there is a power outage, digital ceases to exist.

That is not a commonly held view is it?
 08/08/2004 12:43:22 PM · #32
Originally posted by Alexx:
You could do more editing on film, huh? I definitely don't agree or understand. Nothing naive about comparing the two, one is "enhanced", one is not. film is shot, then developed, then printed. Yeah I know, the picture can be dodged or whatever, but compared to using digital programs, are you going to say that film is more flexible than digital, because that is what it sounds you are implying.

Thats exactly why I said that I found your fist post naive. I´m sort of a beginner here and dont know much about photography but I know that there is nothing done here (at least not in the open challenges) that cant be done on film.
The digital technique gives a lot of flexibility but in the challenges here there are rules that restrict this flexibility even beond whats is possible to do on film.
Besides I cant see that flexibility for creativity in making art can harm it in any way.
08/09/2004 06:41:04 PM · #33
Originally posted by wackybill:
Why are you guys even wasting your time with this guy? Clearly he is being closed minded to digital. This is a digital site. Go away if you aren't interested in digital photography!!!


What an annoying post. Trying to claim I'm the one who is close minded when a few have posted, digital, love or leave it. My whole point has been that the two don't need to be excluded from each other.

What have I said that was close minded?

Message edited by author 2004-08-09 18:42:21.
 08/09/2004 06:44:32 PM · #34
Originally posted by garlic:
Originally posted by Alexx:
You could do more editing on film, huh? I definitely don't agree or understand. Nothing naive about comparing the two, one is "enhanced", one is not. film is shot, then developed, then printed. Yeah I know, the picture can be dodged or whatever, but compared to using digital programs, are you going to say that film is more flexible than digital, because that is what it sounds you are implying.

Thats exactly why I said that I found your fist post naive. I´m sort of a beginner here and dont know much about photography but I know that there is nothing done here (at least not in the open challenges) that cant be done on film.


If you don't know a lot about photography, why call others naive?
 08/09/2004 06:47:00 PM · #35
Originally posted by micknewton:
[quote=Alexx]But that means that digital only exists because electricity exists.

Yup.

I think you are in denial. If Digital was never printed to paper, Digital would be a passing fancy, You deny the very foundation that allows Digital to be wildly popular, and then use this denial to put up a wall against the forefather to digital, which is film.
08/09/2004 06:52:51 PM · #36
Originally posted by Alexx:
Originally posted by wackybill:
Why are you guys even wasting your time with this guy? Clearly he is being closed minded to digital. This is a digital site. Go away if you aren't interested in digital photography!!!


What an annoying post. Trying to claim I'm the one who is close minded when a few have posted, digital, love or leave it. My whole point has been that the two don't need to be excluded from each other.

What have I said that was close minded?


Who posted "digital love it or leave it" or anything close to that?
 08/09/2004 08:39:55 PM · #37
Originally posted by louddog:
Since steroids are banned, and digital cameras are perfectly legal, maybe you should think a little harder at your next analogy. Next time try Album - CD, VHS - DVD, Horse and buggy - car, cans & string - cell phone...


You're going to imply I'm the rude one after you posted the above?
 08/09/2004 09:16:27 PM · #38
Read the description under the site logo on every page... "a digital photography contest." That's what this site is about. End of story. Comparisons with film are a moot point.

Why can't we do both? For the same reason there isn't a Latin version of the National Spelling Bee. It is what it is because that's what it was intended to be. You are more than welcome to create a film challenge if you want.
 08/09/2004 11:17:17 PM · #39
Originally posted by Alexx:
Originally posted by louddog:
Since steroids are banned, and digital cameras are perfectly legal, maybe you should think a little harder at your next analogy. Next time try Album - CD, VHS - DVD, Horse and buggy - car, cans & string - cell phone...


You're going to imply I'm the rude one after you posted the above?


Did I say you were rude? What I'm saying is you like to put words in people's posts. You just did it to me again

And yes, I was rude to you, but remember that was after you called me a name (I'd quote that post but it was deleted by an admin because it was a personal attack).

08/10/2004 02:38:14 AM · #40
Originally posted by scalvert:
Read the description under the site logo on every page... "a digital photography contest." That's what this site is about. End of story. Comparisons with film are a moot point.


You use words like Photography??? They're not photographs.

Originally posted by scalvert:

Why can't we do both? For the same reason there isn't a Latin version of the National Spelling Bee. It is what it is because that's what it was intended to be. You are more than welcome to create a film challenge if you want.


But not for this website, is that correct?
08/10/2004 02:40:02 AM · #41
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by Alexx:
Originally posted by louddog:
Since steroids are banned, and digital cameras are perfectly legal, maybe you should think a little harder at your next analogy. Next time try Album - CD, VHS - DVD, Horse and buggy - car, cans & string - cell phone...


You're going to imply I'm the rude one after you posted the above?


Did I say you were rude? What I'm saying is you like to put words in people's posts. You just did it to me again

And yes, I was rude to you, but remember that was after you called me a name (I'd quote that post but it was deleted by an admin because it was a personal attack).


My calling you a name came after you were hostile towards me, (also deleted). Go back and read my original post, the premise in it was not that outlandish.
 08/10/2004 10:57:10 AM · #42
Originally posted by Alexx:
My calling you a name came after you were hostile towards me, (also deleted). Go back and read my original post, the premise in it was not that outlandish.


Sorry, you are very wrong one more time. NONE of my posts have been deleted by an admin. ONE was edited by an admin where I was semi-rude to you, AFTER YOU CALLED ME A NAME! My semi-rude post was edited pretty quickly after I posted it, so I doubt you ever even seen it.

Two posts were deteted. One was yours and one was someoneelse from here that called you a name back.

So, PAY ATTENTION! NONE OF MY POSTS HAVE EVER BEEN DELETED AND YOUR NAME CALLING POST WAS IN REPLY TO THE SECOND POST IN THIS THREAD, which is still there!

Please try to get your facts straight if you choose to reply anymore. Pointing out all your errors and defending myself against all your false accusations is becoming tiresome.
 08/10/2004 11:22:07 AM · #43
Let's stop feeding the troll, he'll go back under his bridge.
08/12/2004 02:13:11 AM · #44
Originally posted by louddog:
Well this is DPC (Digital Photography Challenge). I'm sure you can find a film version somewhere else.


That wasn't nice was it? I took the time to lay out a premise and you just blow it off the way you delete unwanted digital photographs, oh, now I get it.
 08/12/2004 02:14:39 AM · #45
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Let's stop feeding the troll, he'll go back under his bridge.


Digital only exists on computer screens run by electricity and use of the word "photograph" are two breakthroughs that this thread has produced.

Hardly worthy of the troll label.

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