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08/21/2012 12:48:31 AM · #751 |
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08/21/2012 06:47:41 AM · #752 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'm pleased to report I had no need to resort to deadly force of any kind this past weekend. I participated in a sponsored bike (bicycle) ride with at least a thousand others. Figure that the bikes averaged about $1500 each, with many much higher than that, and you have a parking lot or park just ripe for serious thievery. Bicycle theft is VERY popular in these here parts. I am pretty sure no riders were carrying concealed weapons (really hard to hide in spandex) but there is the chance a volunteer at a rest stop may have been armed. It seems as though no one had to resort to shooting anyone. And in fact, I think the day went by without a single theft! I know, I know, really hard to believe! But it did. Whew!!:-) |
Thats Great!!! Glad all went well.
I also did not need to use my spare tire for a flat, no need for my fire extinguisher, nor my first aid kit. No tornadoes, power outages, floods nor earthquakes in my area yesterday. What a waste it is to have these emergency plans and preparations. Or maybe not. |
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08/21/2012 11:39:57 AM · #753 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Ive got something for an intruder...Its called a triple tap...1. stomach- 2.chest- 3. head |
I am really intrigued if shooting someone 3 times would not be considered "excessive" and lead to legal troubles. Surely any person shot in the stomach would be incapacitated and future shots could be viewed as an intent to kill. |
I find your comment curious. I've always been taught to never point my weapon at anything I am unwilling to kill. No one shoots to maim, and that is never taught as far as I know. So by shooting at anything, isn't that in itself an "intent to kill" that object?
(EDIT was a slight wording change)
Message edited by author 2012-08-21 11:46:58. |
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08/21/2012 01:35:03 PM · #754 |
In the army they trained us at 1st to do s double tap....then they started teching the tripple tap method. You do very little aiming...the rifle is essentially just brought up center mass while pulling the trigger..All three rounds are down range in about 1.5 sec.
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08/21/2012 02:38:07 PM · #755 |
Here's an interesting / disturbing story that seems to be relevant to this thread:
//www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/brandon-j-raub-marine-detained_n_1817484.html
And this was my first thought after reading about it. |
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08/21/2012 05:27:27 PM · #756 |
Two things bother me about the post. The fact that the quote "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads." when said by a person trained to kill people by the Marines has an ominous ring. Defending threats of murder as " libertarian-type posts I see all the time" is rather troubling. Granted most people who threaten murder on the web never carry out those threats, but to hold that threat of severing heads is a protected form of speech is an extreme view.
The shocked reaction of certain people that the government is monitoring on line post is rather stunning. Did these people not follow the debate about the "Patriot Act"?
I'm OK with the government doing psych holds on people who express a desire to kill in a public forum. As an FBI spokesman said "We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts,' she said. 'Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints." |
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08/21/2012 05:45:13 PM · #757 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Ive got something for an intruder...Its called a triple tap...1. stomach- 2.chest- 3. head |
I am really intrigued if shooting someone 3 times would not be considered "excessive" and lead to legal troubles. Surely any person shot in the stomach would be incapacitated and future shots could be viewed as an intent to kill. |
I find your comment curious. I've always been taught to never point my weapon at anything I am unwilling to kill. No one shoots to maim, and that is never taught as far as I know. So by shooting at anything, isn't that in itself an "intent to kill" that object?
(EDIT was a slight wording change) |
I personally have fired thousands of rounds at oodles of things that I had no intention of killing... they were called targets.
The crux of my question was directed specifically at the response made by  Cowboy221977 wherein he made mention of the triple tap and the fact that he would opt to shoot the intruder in three different locations. That to me seemed to suggest willful intent and am of the opinion that such a scenario could be viewed by the authorities as a tad more than self-defence.
Let me know if you still find it curious.
Ray
Message edited by author 2012-08-21 17:52:22. |
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08/21/2012 05:47:05 PM · #758 |
Self protection is one thing, some chest thumping, etc.
But I would hate for anyone to read this thread and think that if you shoot or use any weapon, even in self defense, that
everything will go super smooth because you are just "defending yourself and family."
Anecdotal stories fill these forums, whether it be FOAF stories or videos, so I hate to add a story, but,
I do know of a guy who caught en ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend "burglarizing" his home while he was out, he grabbed a
baseball bat and protected his property from this "home invasion style" theft. He will be incarcerated for a few more years.
I don't care if you are ex-military, police, whatever- avoid the confrontation if you can. Stay with us a while, do your shooting with an DSLR.
eta:spelling
Message edited by author 2012-08-21 17:48:24. |
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08/21/2012 05:54:08 PM · #759 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Self protection is one thing, some chest thumping, etc.
But I would hate for anyone to read this thread and think that if you shoot or use any weapon, even in self defense, that
everything will go super smooth because you are just "defending yourself and family."
Anecdotal stories fill these forums, whether it be FOAF stories or videos, so I hate to add a story, but,
I do know of a guy who caught en ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend "burglarizing" his home while he was out, he grabbed a
baseball bat and protected his property from this "home invasion style" theft. He will be incarcerated for a few more years.
I don't care if you are ex-military, police, whatever- avoid the confrontation if you can. Stay with us a while, do your shooting with an DSLR.
eta:spelling |
Yeah, that sounds a lot like revenge... Not that I blame him, but that's a far cry from an armed intruder that you don't know. If he'd just whacked the idiot in the knee I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be doing years, sounds like he went to town, let the rage get the better of him... FWIW, this is exactly the type that shouldn't own a gun. |
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08/21/2012 06:08:55 PM · #760 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Self protection is one thing, some chest thumping, etc.
But I would hate for anyone to read this thread and think that if you shoot or use any weapon, even in self defense, that
everything will go super smooth because you are just "defending yourself and family."
Anecdotal stories fill these forums, whether it be FOAF stories or videos, so I hate to add a story, but,
I do know of a guy who caught en ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend "burglarizing" his home while he was out, he grabbed a
baseball bat and protected his property from this "home invasion style" theft. He will be incarcerated for a few more years.
I don't care if you are ex-military, police, whatever- avoid the confrontation if you can. Stay with us a while, do your shooting with an DSLR.
eta:spelling |
Yeah, that sounds a lot like revenge... Not that I blame him, but that's a far cry from an armed intruder that you don't know. If he'd just whacked the idiot in the knee I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be doing years, sounds like he went to town, let the rage get the better of him... FWIW, this is exactly the type that shouldn't own a gun. |
Exactly, who was the agressor? |
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08/21/2012 06:42:45 PM · #761 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Two things bother me about the post. The fact that the quote "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads." when said by a person trained to kill people by the Marines has an ominous ring. Defending threats of murder as " libertarian-type posts I see all the time" is rather troubling. Granted most people who threaten murder on the web never carry out those threats, but to hold that threat of severing heads is a protected form of speech is an extreme view.
The shocked reaction of certain people that the government is monitoring on line post is rather stunning. Did these people not follow the debate about the "Patriot Act"?
I'm OK with the government doing psych holds on people who express a desire to kill in a public forum. As an FBI spokesman said "We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts,' she said. 'Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints." |
What concerns me about the story is the selective enforcement of this type of policy. Have you ever heard the NBPP rants and others like them? Like this and this and this and on and on. I have not heard of any of them being hauled in for psych tests. |
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08/21/2012 07:41:40 PM · #762 |
| Ha. Learn something new every day. I've learned (for one thing) not to watch any videos posted in this thread; and that there's a group called the New Black Panther Party. |
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08/21/2012 07:49:34 PM · #763 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Ha. Learn something new every day. I've learned (for one thing) not to watch any videos posted in this thread; and that there's a group called the New Black Panther Party. |
I'm probably a bad person for it, but darn if you don't make me laugh. :) love it! |
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08/21/2012 09:09:22 PM · #764 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I'm probably a bad person for it, but darn if you don't make me laugh. :) love it! |
Hook up with her face-to-face; she'll keep you in stitches. |
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08/21/2012 11:33:10 PM · #765 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I'm probably a bad person for it, but darn if you don't make me laugh. :) love it! |
Hook up with her face-to-face; she'll keep you in stitches. |
I'm worried somewhat about real stitches.. ;) |
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08/21/2012 11:39:31 PM · #766 |
Ahem. I'm not very good with knives, either.
How are your cycling skills? Can you hang for 50 miles or so? :) |
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08/21/2012 11:45:03 PM · #767 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Ahem. I'm not very good with knives, either.
How are your cycling skills? Can you hang for 50 miles or so? :) |
I think they make electric bikes now. :)
Of course, 20 miles through the middle of Miami is a whole different animal, so who knows. I'm certainly good at avoiding obstacles that insist on trying to either be hit, or hit me.
Message edited by author 2012-08-21 23:45:38. |
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08/21/2012 11:46:43 PM · #768 |
| If you can do 20 in Miami, you can easily do 50 here. HUGE difference in humidity alone. And we spend a lot of time trying not to get hit by cars, or trying not to take down pedestrians. It keeps us on our toes. |
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08/22/2012 04:49:30 AM · #769 |
Guns don't shoot people, cops shoot people. Unbelievable.
Yeah, don't arm yourself to protect your home & family against burglars - just call 911 and they'll send "help". I realize assume this is a rare occurrence, but WTF?? Lately (?) cops do seem to be shooting first and asking questions (like "how we gonna cover this up?") later.
I know the counterargument: If she was armed, the deputy would likely have continued to fire at her. Fair point, but it says more about the ineptitude of some cops than it does about the pros/cons of gun ownership. |
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08/22/2012 06:46:38 AM · #770 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Guns don't shoot people, cops shoot people. Unbelievable.
Yeah, don't arm yourself to protect your home & family against burglars - just call 911 and they'll send "help". I realize assume this is a rare occurrence, but WTF?? Lately (?) cops do seem to be shooting first and asking questions (like "how we gonna cover this up?") later.
I know the counterargument: If she was armed, the deputy would likely have continued to fire at her. Fair point, but it says more about the ineptitude of some cops than it does about the pros/cons of gun ownership. |
She might have been Chinese. |
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08/22/2012 08:22:33 AM · #771 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Guns don't shoot people, cops shoot people. Unbelievable. |
Its not clear to me whether the woman shot was the same woman who reported the prowler. If it is, then what was she doing in the backyard while LEO's searched?
In my training, I was taught to give a description of the homeowner to 911 so responding officers would know who the good guy was when they arrived. In this case, I suspect they met her personally before doing the search. I was also taught how to prepare to an incident in a public setting (like a resturant or grocery store) for the arrival of responding officers - one of which was to have a person stationed to meet the responding officers to help identify the good guys and provide a description of the bad guy(s). Lots of common sense type things that simply are not part of the nornal civilians mindset or thinking process - but could prove helpful in some emergency situations.
Still can't figure out why a homeowner who called 911 to report a prowler would be outside investigating with the responding officers. Maybe this was a neighbor who was outside in her backyard by her garage. Regardless, an officer (and anyone else) who discharges a weapon is required to know that, what they are shooting at, was an "imminent threat".
Message edited by author 2012-08-22 08:29:36. |
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08/22/2012 08:41:37 AM · #772 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Guns don't shoot people, cops shoot people. Unbelievable. |
Its not clear to me whether the woman shot was the same woman who reported the prowler. If it is, then what was she doing in the backyard while LEO's searched? |
Wasn't the same woman:
Originally posted by news story:
Deputies originally went to a home about two blocks away in the 8900 block of Leigh Avenue after receiving a report of a prowler wearing a ski mask at about 10:30 p.m. The woman who reported the prowler reportedly told investigators that the man was near her garage, but he was gone when deputies arrived.
Deputies began searching the area. At some point, one of them shot the woman living on Via Tapia in the arm as he was looking for the prowler in her back yard. The woman did not have a weapon, investigators said. |
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08/22/2012 09:28:26 AM · #773 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Self protection is one thing, some chest thumping, etc.
But I would hate for anyone to read this thread and think that if you shoot or use any weapon, even in self defense, that
everything will go super smooth because you are just "defending yourself and family."
Anecdotal stories fill these forums, whether it be FOAF stories or videos, so I hate to add a story, but,
I do know of a guy who caught en ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend "burglarizing" his home while he was out, he grabbed a
baseball bat and protected his property from this "home invasion style" theft. He will be incarcerated for a few more years.
I don't care if you are ex-military, police, whatever- avoid the confrontation if you can. Stay with us a while, do your shooting with an DSLR.
eta:spelling |
Yeah, that sounds a lot like revenge... Not that I blame him, but that's a far cry from an armed intruder that you don't know. If he'd just whacked the idiot in the knee I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be doing years, sounds like he went to town, let the rage get the better of him... FWIW, this is exactly the type that shouldn't own a gun. |
Exactly, who was the agressor? |
Cory had it right, the guy came home and caught his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend breaking into his apartment to "take back property" he quietly entered the garage, picked up a baseball bat and brained the new boyfriend as he was carrying out a flatscreen. |
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08/22/2012 10:17:36 AM · #774 |
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08/22/2012 10:29:33 AM · #775 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Guns don't shoot people, cops shoot people. Unbelievable. |
Its not clear to me whether the woman shot was the same woman who reported the prowler. If it is, then what was she doing in the backyard while LEO's searched? |
Wasn't the same woman:
Originally posted by news story:
Deputies originally went to a home about two blocks away in the 8900 block of Leigh Avenue after receiving a report of a prowler wearing a ski mask at about 10:30 p.m. The woman who reported the prowler reportedly told investigators that the man was near her garage, but he was gone when deputies arrived.
Deputies began searching the area. At some point, one of them shot the woman living on Via Tapia in the arm as he was looking for the prowler in her back yard. The woman did not have a weapon, investigators said. |
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That's what I was kind of thinking but the term "the woman" had me thinking its reference might be towards the original caller. Appreciate the clarification. |
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