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02/09/2012 09:35:48 AM · #1 |
has anyone else noticed an uptick in the number of validation requests they are receiving? it seems every other entry of mine needs to be validated.
i has my first ever suspension in early January... does this put me on some sort of "watchlist", so i am presumed guilty until proven innocent?
also, how does the SC make the decision to ask for a validation? is it always initiated by a user?
/rant
if most validation requests are triggered by users, are there some users who tag/report entries A LOT, and is there any censure against them if 99% of the entries they report as suspected rules violators are indeed valid? what about giving people the benefit of the doubt unless you are really, really sure the rules were violated! maybe the images you are reporting are made by people who are just better photographers than you. beyond the annoyance of having to upload large RAW files, i do not like always being accused.
\end rant
ok, pressure released
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02/09/2012 09:41:25 AM · #2 |
| if you finished in the top 5 or 6 you'd have to validate anyway so why kick up a fuss unless you have broken the rules its only a matter of uploading yout raw file or files not a big job... |
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02/09/2012 09:41:48 AM · #3 |
My wife's FS entry got a validation request. I thought it odd, since the aspect I suspect it was called on is a technique that is well known to almost anyone that's been here a while.
I would think if there are any users making exceptionally large numbers of validation requests, SC will eventually have words with them. It's a lot of extra work for those guys if someone is flagging large numbers of entries with little reason.
Message edited by author 2012-02-09 09:43:29.
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02/09/2012 09:44:54 AM · #4 |
I don't quite understand the concern about validation.
Most requests for validation are done because of a few reasons:
1) you finished in the top five of a challenge and need to validate that you followed the rules
2) someone suspects that you may have not followed the rule set
3) someone notices that your EXIF data states the image was taken outside the challenge dates
Be happy if the reason is #1. You are in the money and hence need to validate to get the big prize ;-)
Be happy that someone questioned your editing (#2). Someone either doesn't believe it is possible to have such an awesome image done legally, or wants to help you out to get the 'photo is validated' during the voting period
Be happy that you have a nice picture, but remember to change your camera settings or enter a picture within the correct timeframe(#3)
The concern I would have is not that someone asked for validation, but that if someone voted your image down because they believed it was not within the rule set. If you are editing within the rules set, you should have nothing to worry about....
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02/09/2012 09:45:14 AM · #5 |
FYI, all DQ requests are initially reviewed by the SC, and are only sent to the photographer once at least 3 SC agree that it requires a full review, so in reality we only pass on about 25% of the requests we receive. If you'd like to reduce the odds of getting an official request, it doesn't hurt to put your editing steps in your entry's description, as that will often answer a concern we may have.
For more information about the DQ system, I highly recommend you read the The DQ Process: A Voter's Guide :)
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02/09/2012 09:46:54 AM · #6 |
Why would you have received a suspension in January... you had two DQs, but they were separated by 82 entries. A suspension only occurs when you have a second DQ within 25 entries.
Look at validation requests not as an indictment, but as recognition that folks may not understand how you accomplished what you did. They are a normal part of the process, and not to be worried about.
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02/09/2012 09:50:25 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Why would you have received a suspension in January... you had two DQs, but they were separated by 82 entries. A suspension only occurs when you have a second DQ within 25 entries.
Look at validation requests not as an indictment, but as recognition that folks may not understand how you accomplished what you did. They are a normal part of the process, and not to be worried about. |
i had a self DQ of a totally terrible entry to the Movember challenge, so that bumped me up to 2 within 25 entries. |
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02/09/2012 09:51:30 AM · #8 |
If an individual submits a LOT of requests, and they are "off base" or show a blatant misunderstanding of the rules, we will not request an original, and probably will explain it to the requester. This happens on occasion with a new, first time voter.
If more than one person submits a request, we may request the original even if we can tell or suspect is is okay. We may also attach a validation to the picture. (these are rare, nowadays, it seems).
Just because someone suspects something and sends a request to us, does not guarantee we request an original.
There are a couple of users that make consistent requests. Most of the time, they are correct.
After the voting has concluded, the top 5 are automatically requested. If there is something suspect in the comments, and it is seen, it may also garner a request. If you finish 6th and there is a dq in the top 5, you will have a request. |
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02/09/2012 09:53:10 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Manic:
FYI, all DQ requests are initially reviewed by the SC, and are only sent to the photographer once at least 3 SC agree that it requires a full review, so in reality we only pass on about 25% of the requests we receive. If you'd like to reduce the odds of getting an official request, it doesn't hurt to put your editing steps in your entry's description, as that will often answer a concern we may have.
For more information about the DQ system, I highly recommend you read the The DQ Process: A Voter's Guide :) |
Manic and Karmat
Thanks. this is very good information to know. and i will be more pro-active about listing details in my entries, if that is helpful to the SC when deciding to issue validation requests.
Message edited by author 2012-02-09 09:54:33. |
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02/09/2012 10:20:34 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by mefnj:
Thanks. this is very good information to know. and i will be more pro-active about listing details in my entries, if that is helpful to the SC when deciding to issue validation requests. |
But this to me indicates that you're being targeted after rollover, which I've got to say would certainly bum me out. If you're not in the top five and you're repeatedly being asked for validation, after rollover, well... that's odd.
Edit: Never mind. I realize that the SC would look at your entry notes while the photo was still anonymous. I was thinking the suggestion of listing editing steps was to inform others that the proper editing steps had been taken. Disregard!
Message edited by author 2012-02-09 10:22:07. |
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02/09/2012 10:37:28 AM · #11 |
Did this information ever get posted in Site Rules or guidelines? As  Kiwiness says, it would be good to have it readily on hand, but I couldn't easily find it.
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12/18/2003 07:12:26 AM · #63
Good idea Manic, this should clear up a lot of questions. Maybe we should also add this as a link to the "Disqualification" section in the Challenge rules, or else it will eventually get lost in the sea of forum threads.
Gary
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12/18/2003 06:56:16 AM · #64
This guide is to let voters know how the DQ process works, including when to use it, and what to expect from it. If you have any questions, please ask here or send me (or any member of the site council) a PM.
If you find a photo that you consider is breaking the rules:
- Request a DQ against it, and give your reason(s) as to why you think the photo is breaking the rules - There's no need to quote the exact rule from the rules page though.
- Don't forget to vote as though the photo is legal!
The site council will then receive the request, and decide (by discussion and voting) upon on one of three possible courses of action:
DQ - If the photo has obviously broken the rules, eg text added, the photo will be disqualified and removed from the voting process. The photographer concerned will also be notified of the disqualification, and the reason(s) behind it.
No DQ - If the request doesn't indicate a rule being broken, eg doesn't meet the challenge topic, then no action will be taken, and the photographer will not be contacted.
Request Proof - If the council are uncertain of whether a rule has been broken, eg the request was for outside challenge dates or a particular technique, then the photographer will be contacted and asked to upload the original photo along with the methods used to create the final submission.
Once the original photo and methods have been uploaded, the council will then decide whether or not to DQ the photo. If DQ, then the photo will be removed as per the above. If not DQ, then the photo will remain and an admin note will be added to the photo to indicate that the shot has been verified as legal.
Occasionally, if for example the methods aren't explained clearly, then the council may decide to re-request proof from the photographer, along with specific reasons for the additional request.
If the original isn't uploaded within a reasonable time period (usually at least three days), or if the photographer doesn't contact the admins to give their reasons for delaying the upload, then the photo might be disqualified for not responding with proof.
Other notes:
Having a DQ request against your photo doesn't mean that you've been accused of cheating! In many cases, the requestor is just uncertain about how the image was created and wants to know how it was done, or doesn't realise how certain effects can be achieved without breaking the rules (the classic being selective desaturation of various colours).
Once a challenge completes, the top 5 or so photos will be requested to provide proof. This isn't due to a specific DQ request, merely a verification that the winners all played by the rules.
And finally, please remember to read the submission rules, along with any additional rules specific to each challenge!
ADDITIONAL
Good reasons for raising a DQ request (for normal open rules):
- The photo appears to have used illegal editting techniques (eg special effects or filters that aren't specifically allowed).
- The photo was taken outside the challenge submission dates.
- The photo contains text that has been added during editting, or other graphical artworks (eg clipart).
- The photo doesn't belong to the photographer who submitted it.
- The photo depicts solely and entirely a work of art, without any context.
- The photo consists of a composite of multiple images that couldn't have been created in-camera (ie multiple exposures in-camera are legal).
- The photo contains graphic nudity (ie depicting genitalia or specific sexual acts).
- The photo blatantly encourages drug or alcohol abuse.
Bad reasons for raising a DQ request - these requests will most likely be ignored:
- The photo doesn't appear to meet the challenge topic.
- The photo contains content that isn't "appropriate for minors" or the like (except graphic nudity and blatant drug/alcohol encouragement / abuse).
However, if you are unsure, raise the DQ request anyway, and the site council will decide upon a course of action, if required.
Message edited by author 2004-01-07 14:08:04. |
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02/09/2012 10:50:00 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Did this information ever get posted in Site Rules or guidelines? |
It's linked from the Voter Guidelines, and is a sticky thread in the Admin Announcements forum area.
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02/09/2012 10:57:20 AM · #13 |
this one puzzles me......
The photo blatantly encourages drug or alcohol abuse.
 oops 
Message edited by author 2012-02-09 10:57:45. |
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02/09/2012 11:08:05 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Did this information ever get posted in Site Rules or guidelines?
Good reasons for raising a DQ request (for normal open rules):
- The photo depicts solely and entirely a work of art, without any context. |
Note that the "Artwork Rule" has changed since this was written, and this rationale is no longer completely accurate.Originally posted by Giles_uk:
this one puzzles me......
The photo blatantly encourages drug or alcohol abuse.
oops |
They look pretty discouraging to me; compare to any Bud Light or Miller commercial ...
Message edited by author 2012-02-09 11:12:04. |
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