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01/18/2012 05:44:10 AM · #1 |
thought it had a 5.5 in it or more but i guess ppl didn't like it or it wasnt obvious enough?
say it as you see it folks, im a big boy
alternatives (not on my computer so have to use flickr)
this was the one i was closest to entering
IMG_1124 by gilesbert, on Flickr
Message edited by author 2012-01-18 11:16:58. |
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01/18/2012 07:32:04 AM · #2 |
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01/18/2012 09:06:26 AM · #3 |
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01/18/2012 11:45:46 AM · #4 |
I find it interesting how we all take the challenges and interpret them so differently.
I guess I'm not a "studio" photographer, so I don't have much appreciation for the winning photo. The sculpture YES!, but isn't this a photo site? Shouldn't we be judging the photo, not the art that's in the photo?
Now, I'm new here, hopefully someone can correct my interpretation.
Sorry gyaban (love your work), not trying to call you out here, just a bit curious how others feel. Trying to learn!
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Oh, and Giles, I liked your image once I studied it a bit more. I was pretty sure it was a landfill. To me, colors seemed a little bit off, and it was a bit busy. I think the trouble is that there isn't really a subject, per se. I scored it above average though.
Message edited by author 2012-01-18 11:50:18. |
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01/18/2012 12:14:19 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I guess I'm not a "studio" photographer, so I don't have much appreciation for the winning photo. The sculpture YES!, but isn't this a photo site? Shouldn't we be judging the photo, not the art that's in the photo? |
James,
Since you did not see the sculpture itself, you have no way of telling how much the result is due to it by itself, or to the photo. In fact, the sculpture was designed with photography in mind, and can only be seen from a precise angle: it does not work at all if you look at it differently. Also, the lighting has been especially adjusted to make it as appealing as possible. Same goes for the clean background. Photography is not reduced to the 1/250sec when the sensor is exposed: searching for an idea, preparing the shoot, adjusting the composition, the light, building the scene if necessary, working to make things appear as you want, all of this is photography, in my book.
Moreover, if I follow your reasoning, a photo of a bridge or of a famous building is not worth much, because the job has been done by the architect, not the photographer? Similarly, fashion photography is often about beautiful models, outfits, and make up: is it not photography?
Yes, of course, the beauty or interest of your subject is very important. But even with the very same subject, some photos will be much better than others, simply because the photographer was good enough to chose the best angle, the best expression, appropriate light, colors, etc.
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01/18/2012 12:31:55 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I find it interesting how we all take the challenges and interpret them so differently.
I guess I'm not a "studio" photographer, so I don't have much appreciation for the winning photo. The sculpture YES!, but isn't this a photo site? Shouldn't we be judging the photo, not the art that's in the photo?
Now, I'm new here, hopefully someone can correct my interpretation.
Sorry gyaban (love your work), not trying to call you out here, just a bit curious how others feel. Trying to learn! |
The subject is one of many factors that contribute to producing a successful photograph. As a matter of fact, it plays a huge role. Given the same post-processing and lighting techniques, say a photo of an interesting face will always be more appealing to people than an ordinary face. So my point is that the subject is inseparable from the lighting and post-processing that go into creating a final phonograph. Same is true for structures, art works, etc. Photography involves a lot more factors than just say controlling the level of noise, sharpness, and lighting. It's the same reason that the photographers who do location shoots like wedding photographers are constantly looking for interesting locations, it's because they want to make their pictures look better. It is the same concept.
Btw, studio photography is a beautiful thing. Give it a try sometime and you will start to gain more appreciation for it. Sometimes, it is the only way to go to produce certain images. (Just stay away from using fishing lines because they are ridiculous). |
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01/18/2012 01:05:46 PM · #7 |
I see what you guys are saying.
I guess in my mind there was a difference between finding a subject, and creating a subject. I think my thinking was a bit too strict. I probably would have rated some photos higher, but I think I consciously knocked them down because the subjects were created, not found.
I hope you didn't take it that I was trying to cut any image down, but I do find it a good topic of discussion. Thanks for sharing another perspective! |
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01/18/2012 03:08:49 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I see what you guys are saying.
I guess in my mind there was a difference between finding a subject, and creating a subject. I think my thinking was a bit too strict. I probably would have rated some photos higher, but I think I consciously knocked them down because the subjects were created, not found.
I hope you didn't take it that I was trying to cut any image down, but I do find it a good topic of discussion. Thanks for sharing another perspective! |
I think you are neither wrong or right in your expectations and interpretation. The use of a camera opens many possible approaches. Some, like the one you expected and didn't find in some images, relies heavily on the photogrpher using found elements and exploit their graphical potential. It's something I personally love very much, it goes well beyond simply depicting what you find, it poses limits and imposes approaches that makes of photography an autonomous art. This said, of course here there are all kind of approaches, and when you look at the result, can all be really valid.
Message edited by author 2012-01-18 16:16:24. |
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01/18/2012 03:35:19 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I see what you guys are saying.
I guess in my mind there was a difference between finding a subject, and creating a subject. I think my thinking was a bit too strict. I probably would have rated some photos higher, but I think I consciously knocked them down because the subjects were created, not found.
I hope you didn't take it that I was trying to cut any image down, but I do find it a good topic of discussion. Thanks for sharing another perspective! |
I'm sorta' with you on that. To a certain extent, I tended to vote down "created" images and vote up "found" images. For me, the challenge was about going out and photographing trash in such a way as to convey a message or stimulate a response; "turning trash into art", in my mind, was more about finding the beauty in the decay around us, rather than about recycling trash into autonomous artistic creations.
I wasn't a hard-ass about it, but my scoring reflects that. None of my top scores given made the top 10. I gave the Gyaban shot and several of the others a 6. There were a couple of the top 10 I didn't even think were more than tenuously connected to the "garbage" theme...
But the voters didn't agree with me, clearly.
R.
Message edited by author 2012-01-18 15:36:06. |
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01/18/2012 03:52:53 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I see what you guys are saying.
I guess in my mind there was a difference between finding a subject, and creating a subject. I think my thinking was a bit too strict. I probably would have rated some photos higher, but I think I consciously knocked them down because the subjects were created, not found.
I hope you didn't take it that I was trying to cut any image down, but I do find it a good topic of discussion. Thanks for sharing another perspective! |
I'm sorta' with you on that. To a certain extent, I tended to vote down "created" images and vote up "found" images. For me, the challenge was about going out and photographing trash in such a way as to convey a message or stimulate a response; "turning trash into art", in my mind, was more about finding the beauty in the decay around us, rather than about recycling trash into autonomous artistic creations.
I wasn't a hard-ass about it, but my scoring reflects that. None of my top scores given made the top 10. I gave the Gyaban shot and several of the others a 6. There were a couple of the top 10 I didn't even think were more than tenuously connected to the "garbage" theme...
But the voters didn't agree with me, clearly.
R. |
I guess some of us took this part of the challenge description to heart "Turn garbage into art this week" while others felt like it should be found in it's natural environment. Obviously (by my entry) I didn't feel that garbage needed to be photographed in it's natural environment. There are art shows dedicated to garbage that is turned into art, to me that is what the challenge was calling for and Christophe's image fits the bill perfectly. But as with every challenge there is different interpretations of the same subject. |
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01/18/2012 04:02:11 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
I guess some of us took this part of the challenge description to heart "Turn garbage into art this week" while others felt like it should be found in it's natural environment. Obviously (by my entry) I didn't feel that garbage needed to be photographed in it's natural environment. There are art shows dedicated to garbage that is turned into art, to me that is what the challenge was calling for and Christophe's image fits the bill perfectly. But as with every challenge there is different interpretations of the same subject. |
To me, that's taking part of the sentence out of context. The entire sentence "Turn garbage into art this week by taking an appealing photo of a generally not-so-appealing subject." reads to me as: you should use photography as the art creation, not physically creating an art piece and photographing that.
I can understand and respect both viewpoints. |
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01/18/2012 04:15:12 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
I guess some of us took this part of the challenge description to heart "Turn garbage into art this week" while others felt like it should be found in it's natural environment. Obviously (by my entry) I didn't feel that garbage needed to be photographed in it's natural environment. There are art shows dedicated to garbage that is turned into art, to me that is what the challenge was calling for and Christophe's image fits the bill perfectly. But as with every challenge there is different interpretations of the same subject. |
Well, while I scored your image high, the crucial bit in the description seems "by taking an appealing photo". The description for a challenge requiring to craft and photograph the result would have probably been more explicit ("Your challenge is to carve and photograph a pumpkin..").
This said, good that there are different views leading to a variety of images, and that most people apparently didn't score too low things outside of their personal definition of the theme, that's quite rare.. |
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