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12/16/2011 07:12:21 AM · #1 |
From the Expert Editing 'Rules' page.
Overview:
Expert Editing places minimal restrictions on your post-processing. A full range of editing tools are allowed for touch-up and enhancement as well as for image modification. Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.
The Blue Ribbon winner for the recent 'After Man' challenge is a clear example IMO of a digital "creation" that does not meet the Expert Editing concept (or Overview), again, IMO. This is nothing even close to resembling a photo anymore. Why not change 'Expert Editing' to 'Free for all Digital Fantasy Creations'?
Fun to look at - sure, but certainly not "photographic in nature".
BTW - This is not a knock on the creator of the entry mentioned above (several other entries in the challenge could be mentioned in the same context). Very skilled craftsman of digital fantasy for sure. |
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12/16/2011 07:17:44 AM · #2 |
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12/16/2011 07:27:44 AM · #3 |
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12/16/2011 07:31:48 AM · #4 |
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12/16/2011 07:33:39 AM · #5 |
+1
btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations!
Message edited by author 2011-12-16 07:35:03. |
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12/16/2011 07:42:15 AM · #6 |
Funny, when i see an expert editing challenge, i now think digital art, i must have been DPC brain washed. I did really appreciate the winner of the after man challenge.
Why couldn't we have a special category for digital art ? |
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12/16/2011 07:43:21 AM · #7 |
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Originally posted by glad2badad:
Why not change 'Expert Editing' to 'Free for all Digital Fantasy Creations'? |
Because changing it, would mean to abandon photography. It can look digital but it was born from real photos and this is really important IMHO.
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12/16/2011 07:43:56 AM · #8 |
What does "photographic in nature" mean? Is this photo photographic in its nature?
Are abstracts photographic in nature? Heavy blurs? Textures? |
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12/16/2011 07:45:03 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Why couldn't we have a special category for digital art ? |
DPC Digital Art gallery |
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12/16/2011 07:46:48 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jagar:
Why couldn't we have a special category for digital art ? |
DPC Digital Art gallery |
Cool |
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12/16/2011 07:51:50 AM · #11 |
| You're confusing nature with style. |
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12/16/2011 07:54:50 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
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Originally posted by glad2badad:
Why not change 'Expert Editing' to 'Free for all Digital Fantasy Creations'? |
Because changing it, would mean to abandon photography. It can look digital but it was born from real photos and this is really important IMHO. |
+1 |
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12/16/2011 08:00:26 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1
btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations! |
Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art. |
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12/16/2011 08:09:21 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1
btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations! |
Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art. |
There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch.
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12/16/2011 08:13:37 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1
btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations! |
Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art. |
There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch. |
I did say you should take your own pictures. If I took a picture of a person, and wanted to make it about fairy's but it was the dead of winter and I had no access to take pictures of butterflies to use their wings, then I should be able to use a brush is what I'm saying. They way the rules are written right now, I believe you'd be allowed to draw the wings. But you're not allowed to use a premade brush. |
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12/16/2011 08:19:22 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1
btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations! |
Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art. |
There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch. |
I did say you should take your own pictures. If I took a picture of a person, and wanted to make it about fairy's but it was the dead of winter and I had no access to take pictures of butterflies to use their wings, then I should be able to use a brush is what I'm saying. They way the rules are written right now, I believe you'd be allowed to draw the wings. But you're not allowed to use a premade brush. |
And IMO it should stay that way. Well some would say to physically create the wings and attach them to the subject. To just use a comp to create something from scratch should not be allowed. That's just my take on the matter. I would really love to hear what  Gyaban,  Judi or some of the other heavy expert hitters have to say on this
Message edited by author 2011-12-16 08:23:03. |
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12/16/2011 08:30:35 AM · #17 |
| Things are fine as they are, I still enter expert challenges with basic edited shots, i very rarely vote on the quality of the editing of a photo but more on the content, for me it's all that matters, each to their own. |
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12/16/2011 08:38:39 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Things are fine as they are, I still enter expert challenges with basic edited shots, i very rarely vote on the quality of the editing of a photo but more on the content, for me it's all that matters, each to their own. |
Well Said. +1 |
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12/16/2011 08:40:55 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Things are fine as they are, I still enter expert challenges with basic edited shots, i very rarely vote on the quality of the editing of a photo but more on the content, for me it's all that matters, each to their own. |
+1 |
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12/16/2011 08:41:08 AM · #20 |
| Personally, I think the update should be a few less expert challenges. They are nice to look at once in a while, but lately, its been about 1 for every 10 challenges. |
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12/16/2011 08:42:51 AM · #21 |
I don't understand why people think the blue winner is not photographic in nature. First of all the title of the challenge makes it more of a fantasy type challenge, so I was expecting to see more entries that were more in the "digital art" category. What makes DPC special is that they require you to use all of your own photographs. Most other digital art sites don't. I have thought about entering some contest on other digital art sites but I haven't because it bothers me that you can use photographs and images that are not your own.
I don't agree with Kelli, I don't think we should be able to use pre-made brushes. I think it is the same thing as using other peoples photos. I didn't enter the heavy metal challenge I had an idea but I just didn't have time to do it with it being the Christmas season. I wanted to have some wings but don't own any, I also was thinking of using a hour glass but don't own one either. So I have to think of creative ways around the problem. I could go a store and bring my camera and photograph some things there. You could do the same with butterfly wings, most craft stores carry fake butterflies that look real. Or figure out a way to make your photo work without them which was another option I was thinking of.
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12/16/2011 08:44:46 AM · #22 |
You guys obviously haven't heard about the recent invasion of 'chest-hole' aliens?
They've occupied the outer suburbs of Paris, and feed fish to the mothership. |
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12/16/2011 08:48:11 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
To just use a comp to create something from scratch should not be allowed. That's just my take on the matter. I would really love to hear what Gyaban, Judi or some of the other heavy expert hitters have to say on this |
I think the rules are good as they are now:
1) You can't really prevent pure painting/drawing from scratch, while authorizing wild deformations. One could simply crop a random pixel from a random photo, change the color, deform/clone to fill any shape, dodge/burn, etc. until something is created "from a photo". It doesn't make much sense, does it? And if you forbid deformations or cloning, then it's not much expert editing anymore.
2) While painting/drawing something all by yourself is still a creation, simply reusing stuff other did (such as brushes, or cliparts) is quite different: you are not the sole creator of the image anymore (unless you deform the clipart a lot, to the point it becomes something else). Not mentioning the copyright problems such creations could generate (cliparts are sometimes created from other pictures without the consent of their respective authors, etc.)
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12/16/2011 08:55:15 AM · #24 |
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12/16/2011 08:57:04 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
The Blue Ribbon winner for the recent 'After Man' challenge is a clear example IMO of a digital "creation" that does not meet the Expert Editing concept (or Overview), again, IMO. This is nothing even close to resembling a photo anymore. |
What are you talking about... I recognize everybody in that picture. And his eggs. |
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