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12/01/2011 07:42:46 PM · #201 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Spork99:
And for every one that successfully quits using, how many more try and fail? |
TO this I would answer that success does not normally come with the first try, and for some may never occur. The thing one should strive for is ... to try.
Ray |
Yes, but kicking them when they're down isn't really encouraging them to try. |
I don't know about where you live my friend, but in these parts we have all kinds of social assistance for people in need, including needle exchange programs.
Maybe they get kicked harder where you live. :O)
Ray |
Aren't you in Canada?
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12/01/2011 08:04:23 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by o2bskating:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
If we could sell the stuff like the other mildly toxic addictive substances, alcohol and tobacco, we could balance the budget in one bill. Get half the people in prison out, take the biggest profit maker out of the hands of the gangs, tax the richest farm crop in the United States and get government out of the people's business. Why aren't the Tea Party putting this forward? |
cause you would be taking profits away from the drug cartel and it would probably start a drug war. |
Not to mention protecting the alcohol, tobacco, and fiber markets, and one of big Pharma's cash cows: "anti-depressants." I mean, it's OK to take a chemical to "fight depression," but not to "get high?"
Oh yeah, the private prison construction industry and the prison guard unions probably exercise a bit of influence as well. |
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12/01/2011 08:17:33 PM · #203 |
| I wonder which is the greater foiler of common sense solutions here: the "business interests" or the misinformed/bamboozled/righteous citizens. Time to look at how other countries handle these things. And hey, while we're at it, what about letting dogs onto public transit? |
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12/01/2011 08:40:19 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by tnun:
I wonder which is the greater foiler of common sense solutions here: the "business interests" or the misinformed/bamboozled/righteous citizens. Time to look at how other countries handle these things. And hey, while we're at it, what about letting dogs onto public transit? |
Yeah, and kitty-cats too. Dang it all,  tnun, sometimes you make way too much sense.
Now, that's scary. |
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12/01/2011 11:06:12 PM · #205 |
| So, how 'bout them OWS protesters! |
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12/02/2011 04:38:10 AM · #206 |
Not now, Stefanie, we're talking about drugs. ;-)
If anyone was wondering what could kick off the zombie apocalypse, I just saw this report on CNN earlier this evening.
They are giving BABIES and very young children up to 12 different psychotropic drugs. LOTS of kids. The world has gone insane. I give up. I am heading down to Seattle tomorrow to get my "card". |
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12/02/2011 06:57:32 AM · #207 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not now, Stefanie, we're talking about drugs. ;-)
If anyone was wondering what could kick off the zombie apocalypse, I just saw this report on CNN earlier this evening.
They are giving BABIES and very young children up to 12 different psychotropic drugs. LOTS of kids. The world has gone insane. I give up. I am heading down to Seattle tomorrow to get my "card". |
great so now all these kids will grow up to Occupy Wall Street too... |
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12/02/2011 07:19:35 AM · #208 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not now, Stefanie, we're talking about drugs. ;-)
If anyone was wondering what could kick off the zombie apocalypse, I just saw this report on CNN earlier this evening.
They are giving BABIES and very young children up to 12 different psychotropic drugs. LOTS of kids. The world has gone insane. I give up. I am heading down to Seattle tomorrow to get my "card". |
great so now all these kids will grow up to Occupy Wall Street too... |
Actually, once the old men die off and are out of office they'll legalize drugs. They'll have to, since they're all on them! ;D |
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12/02/2011 10:40:57 AM · #209 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Not now, Stefanie, we're talking about drugs. ;-)
If anyone was wondering what could kick off the zombie apocalypse, I just saw this report on CNN earlier this evening.
They are giving BABIES and very young children up to 12 different psychotropic drugs. LOTS of kids. The world has gone insane. I give up. I am heading down to Seattle tomorrow to get my "card". |
that's soo old news my cousin who is 40 now one of his foster parents used to dope the kids up with valium as soon as they came home from school if they were lucky they would wake up to eat if not oh well she didn't have to deal with them since it's all about the check from the government not the kid! |
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01/04/2012 09:22:24 AM · #210 |
Welcome to CrazyLand
Message edited by author 2012-01-04 09:22:59. |
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01/04/2012 12:20:57 PM · #211 |
I always chuckle when the same rightwingnuts that bleat incessantly about FREEEEEEEDOM and leeeeeeeberty and "spreading democracy to all corners of the world" (especially ones where "usa interests" lie) get all wet in the shorts when they see usa citizens exercising the very constitutional rights that the constitutional fundamentalists (aka libertarians) clamor is being ripped asunder. what deep fears are stirred by the occupy movement? speaking truth to power freaks out those in power eh? makes sense (for them as individuals but NOT as citizens of a SOCIETY).
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
OK enough is enough. All these occupy wall street protesters need to all be pepper sprayed and hauled off to jail. They are causing extremely unsanitary condition, taxing an already taxed police force and a lot of them don't even know why they are protesting. Many of them are protesting just to protest. Even the homeless are getting involved because they are getting handout along the way. This country can not survive by giving everything away. |
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01/04/2012 01:12:54 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
I always chuckle when the same rightwingnuts that bleat incessantly about FREEEEEEEDOM and leeeeeeeberty and "spreading democracy to all corners of the world" (especially ones where "usa interests" lie) get all wet in the shorts when they see usa citizens exercising the very constitutional rights that the constitutional fundamentalists (aka libertarians) clamor is being ripped asunder. what deep fears are stirred by the occupy movement? speaking truth to power freaks out those in power eh? makes sense (for them as individuals but NOT as citizens of a SOCIETY). |
Check out the TED talk by Jonathan Haidt about the moral difference between liberal and conservative. It is very enlightening about such things. I have watched it many times because it strikes me as a real Rosetta stone for understanding those who differ from you. This most important part for the purposes of my reply to your post is at about 14:00. In a nutshell he says, "Liberals speak for the weak and opppressed; want change and justice, even at the risk of chaos" while "Conservatives speak for institutions and traditions; want order even at cost to those at the bottom". He goes on to say, "The great conservative insight is that order is really hard to achieve, it is precious, and it is really easy to lose."
Anyway, the most important takeaway is that neither outlook is always superior. Finding the sweet spot between the two is the noble struggle. |
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01/04/2012 05:27:35 PM · #213 |
| Can't let that one go, Jason. I think it is misleadingly simple: all it says is that each group is prone to opposing excesses. I'm not sure there is any great future in seeking a Path that is merely a balance between two evils. |
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01/04/2012 05:35:01 PM · #214 |
| I dunno but I notice the more people talk about "freedom" the more they want to restrict it :shrug: |
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01/04/2012 06:58:13 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Can't let that one go, Jason. I think it is misleadingly simple: all it says is that each group is prone to opposing excesses. I'm not sure there is any great future in seeking a Path that is merely a balance between two evils. |
Perhaps each path is evil only in excess. Order and Justice are two noble qualities, but both can be warped to the point they are no longer noble.
Message edited by author 2012-01-04 18:58:44. |
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03/05/2012 10:06:08 PM · #216 |
thank you! finally some sense around here.
Originally posted by BaldurT:
I saw this floating around the Internets, but don't know how accurate it is.
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03/06/2012 07:08:12 PM · #217 |
What budget?
This shows part of the story. The other part of the story is what is known as MANDATORY spending. Stack mandatory spending on top of that graph, and you end up with the entire expenditure of the DOD being around 20% of what we spend. Another 20% goes straight to paying the interest on the national debt. Mathematicians in the room will notice that leaves 60%. Anyone care to guess where that goes? It goes to ENTITLEMENTS. We spend way to much money on "give a man a fish" projects. The majority of what we spend literally gets handed out. -Austin Clark (comment off the site that Discretionary spending chart comes from).
TOTAL SPENDING
Play with it how you want-Spending Chart maker
Message edited by author 2012-03-06 19:11:30.
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