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Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

09/21/2011 02:13:54 PM · #4

I'm really interested to hear what other people think about this. I'm not ready to buy one of these little cameras just at the moment but maybe one day. I wonder when Canon plan to join the party.

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

09/21/2011 02:21:43 PM · #5

Not really a surprise to see this from Nikon... I expect to see something mirrorless from Canon as well. What is a bit of a surprise is the 2.7x crop factor. That's a really small sensor, only 14% of the area of a 35mm sensor!
It implies that a whole new set of optics must be created that are optimized for that size. They do say that F mount will be supported eventually, but obviously using only one seventh of the image circle is a waste. What's needed are small, light, compact lenses. It would seem that Nikon would have been better off supporting, for instance, 4/3 rather than having to create a whole new system... but of course the not-invented-here syndrome probably killed any possibility of that.

ETA:
I think that there's definitely a market for this type of camera. It will be interesting to see how this segment evolves.

Message edited by author 2011-09-21 14:23:21.

one2one

Olympus E-5

09/21/2011 02:36:13 PM · #6

Again we see the supposedly 'big guys' following in the steps of Olympus. First Sony then Nikon and I'm sure Canon will be along touting their new cameras. Which aren't new to us Oly users.

Kirbic. It has evolved into a huge market, Nikon and Canon are just trying to catch up to Olympus and now Sony.

yakatme

Lytro Illum Light Field Digital

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

09/21/2011 02:37:00 PM · #7

I'm certainly not going to be investing in another whole lens lineup!

Message edited by author 2011-09-21 14:37:25.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

09/21/2011 02:53:10 PM · #8

I'm more interested in the Canon S100

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

09/21/2011 03:01:47 PM · #9

Originally posted by one2one:

Kirbic. It has evolved into a huge market, Nikon and Canon are just trying to catch up to Olympus and now Sony.

Meh... time will tell on the market size. Look in the bags of a few hundred photographers today, you might find a couple of the currently-available models.
Most of those currently using P&S cameras don't see the benefit, just the negatives (higher cost, less zoom range, need multiple lenses...) and those using DSLRs definitely see a potential benefit (a nice, small, travel camera with high quality imaging) but are loathe to consider that they will need to buy more lenses.

scarbrd

Leica M10

09/21/2011 04:05:39 PM · #10

It looks to me that Nikon didn't want to go with m4/3 format so not to cannibalize sales of the lower end dSLR offerings. The image quality between m4/3 and APS is becoming negligible. The sensor size on the new Nikon line is small enough to to differentiate between it and the APS sensors in terms of IQ and noise at higher ISO ratings.

Time will tell if this was a good strategy or not. My prediction is that this format will not do well for Nikon. The lenses could have been much smaller that the initial 3 lenses announced with the new cameras. The Sony NEX which uses the APS sensor, simply can not make small lenses for the sensor format. Shallow DOF is a challenge with m4/3, it will be even more so with the new Nikon format. 3rd party lens makers will be hesitant to make for yet another sensor format.

Nikon is playing a catch up game here. M4/3 is selling very nicely in Asia and picking up around the world. I've ordered the Leica 25mm 1.4 months ago. Demand is high. Otherwise, Nikon and soon to announce Canon wouldn't bother.

I made the complete switch recently. I sold off all my Canon gear as I haven't picked up the Canon since I got the Oly m4/3. There is still much to improve on, particularly in the high ISO arena. I love the small size and weight factor, especially when traveling. I think m4/3 is one or 2 sensor generations away from matching APS at all levels. The E-P3 handles great and feels like a Leica rangefinder in my hands.

just my 2 cents worth.

09/21/2011 04:42:12 PM · #11

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Nikon is playing a catch up game here. M4/3 is selling very nicely in Asia and picking up around the world. I've ordered the Leica 25mm 1.4 months ago. Demand is high. Otherwise, Nikon and soon to announce Canon wouldn't bother.

You're right, both Nikon and Canon surely see potential in this market, or you wouldn't see this from Nikon.
One comment on market timing... when you're the "big guys" you don't necessarily need, or want, to be first in the market. Let the smaller players take the risk, and be a "fast follower."

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

09/21/2011 05:20:43 PM · #12

scarbrd I had to go quite a way back to find what Canon equipment you had. I'm fascinated by the fact that you replaced such a good camera with Oly m4/3. When I bought my 7D I wasn't sure whether to go bigger or smaller but felt that I was going to get better quality out of Canon. I'm really curious to know how focusing ability and such compare to your bigger cameras.

Despite the fact that Olympus service in South Africa is supposed to be difficult, when looking at sample photos, I've always thought it looks like the best of the m4/3 type cameras. The size of the sensor of the Nikon sounds a bit worrying - I haven't looked yet to see whether the camera size is much smaller too. And it's still wait and see where Canon is concerned. I don't suppose when the time comes that I decide to buy a small camera that brand loyalty will really be an issue if the two systems aren't really compatible anyway.

scarbrd

Leica M10

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

09/21/2011 09:29:34 PM · #13

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

I was a little surprised, too. But at the end of the day, I wasn't using the Canon gear at all. I do most of my photography when traveling. The PEN system is just so much smaller and lighter.

Plus I was getting amazing results in the way of IQ, especially in the prints, even very large ones. If you tags file from both cameras and do some "pixel peeping" at very high magnification you can see a marked difference. However, in the final product, be it print or web, there just wasn't enough difference. I even took the PEN into the studio and did some shots with a model. The images were incredible.

There is a trade off in that I can't get the really nice quality of the 5DII at high ISO. So be it, I shoot mostly at 400 or below. I don't shoot sports any more, so the focusing speed isn't really and issue. Although, the housing on the E-P3 is no slouch.

I have some really nice fixed focal length lenses and some convenient zooms.

I don't miss lugging the Canon gear around the world along with the other stuff I need when I travel.

I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for me, it's a perfect combination of size, weight, IQ, and performance.

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

09/21/2011 09:53:03 PM · #14

Originally posted by scarbrd:

I have some really nice fixed focal length lenses and some convenient zooms.

I don't miss lugging the Canon gear around the world along with the other stuff I need when I travel.

I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for me, it's a perfect combination of size, weight, IQ, and performance.

I really think when I can afford to I'll have to get one of those little cameras. I'm small and carrying the 7D around all the time isn't that much fun. I almost never carry spare lenses around with me other than my lensbaby and often find that I don't have the right lens for the shot I want. One thing that worries me about them is the lack of a viewfinder, but at the end of the day I guess no camera has everything.

I still haven't had time to read all about the Nikons, but looked through the specifications, which look pretty nice. All except for the sensor size. And the cameras are actually slightly bigger and heavier than Olympus's latest offering.

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

09/21/2011 10:06:55 PM · #15

Originally posted by yakatme:

I'm certainly not going to be investing in another whole lens lineup!

Quote from the N1 blurb ; "The new mount not only supports the dedicated 1 NIKKOR VR 10-30mm f/3.5-5.6, 1 NIKKOR VR 30-110mm f/3.8-5.6, 1 NIKKOR 10mm f/2.8 and 1 NIKKOR VR 10-100mm f/4.5-5.6 PD-ZOOM Nikon 1-mount interchangeable lenses, but also F-mount NIKKOR lenses*2, manufactured by Nikon for more than half a century, when the new FT1 mount adapter is used."

You just have to spring for the FT1 adapter, and all your current glass will work with it.

scarbrd

Leica M10

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

09/21/2011 10:13:50 PM · #16

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by scarbrd:
I have some really nice fixed focal length lenses and some convenient zooms.

I don't miss lugging the Canon gear around the world along with the other stuff I need when I travel.

I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for me, it's a perfect combination of size, weight, IQ, and performance.

I really think when I can afford to I'll have to get one of those little cameras. I'm small and carrying the 7D around all the time isn't that much fun. I almost never carry spare lenses around with me other than my lensbaby and often find that I don't have the right lens for the shot I want. One thing that worries me about them is the lack of a viewfinder, but at the end of the day I guess no camera has everything.

I still haven't had time to read all about the Nikons, but looked through the specifications, which look pretty nice. All except for the sensor size. And the cameras are actually slightly bigger and heavier than Olympus's latest offering.

Olympus makes an electronic view finder for the PENs, 2 of them, in fact. The LCD on the E-P3 is great. You can touch the screen where you want the focus. The EVF comes in handy on bright days and when you need critical focusing rather than the auto focus.

Pug-H

Pentax K10D

Sigma 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical HF for Pentax

09/21/2011 11:25:31 PM · #17

I was playing around with the new Pentax Q the other day (and I took in a memory card to use with it). It was released last month. I'm very tempted to buy one. The Nikon was featured in this morning's newspaper.
I've also looked at the Olympus PEN, but in Japan they don't sell it with an English menu.

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

09/21/2011 11:48:20 PM · #18

Originally posted by Pug-H:

I've also looked at the Olympus PEN, but in Japan they don't sell it with an English menu.

Aww com'on, where's your sense of adventure? LOL.

raish

Olympus C-2500L

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

09/22/2011 04:12:16 AM · #19

Originally posted by raish:

manual override?

spiritualspatula

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/22/2011 04:57:34 AM · #20

I'll wait and see what they put out lens wise. As of now, the only lens worth a damn in my book is the 10 2.8, which should really be more like 1.8 given that sensor size.
If there's crap for DoF I've little interest in this.
I'd like the compact body but if the lenses are just my F mount lenses, they aren't small. There's no way that would fit in my pocket with my 24 2.8 or my 30 1.4, so... why not just bring my D300 at that point?

raish- I'm curious too. Do you mean for AF or exposure?

Message edited by author 2011-09-22 04:59:46.

ubique

Olympus PEN-F

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

09/22/2011 05:22:11 AM · #21

Originally posted by kirbic:

What about this one? I'm impressed but I'm technically naive. I'd love to have your opinion Fritz.

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Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

09/22/2011 06:23:16 AM · #22

I haven't got time to look right now, but I see there are now a hands-on impression as well as sample images up at DPReview.

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

09/22/2011 09:22:50 AM · #23

Originally posted by ubique:

What about this one? I'm impressed but I'm technically naive. I'd love to have your opinion Fritz.

I haven't looked much at the NEX system, but from what I'm reading it's pretty well thought of. If I were considering it, the very first thing I'd check is what memory format it uses. Does it only support the Sony Memory Stick format? If so, that would be tough to swallow.
The other thing I'd look closely at is what lenses are supported. Like the Nikon 1, it seems that most of them are sssllllooowww. I guess that's because the target market wouldn't know a fast lens if it bit 'em, but it sure puts a crimp in the usefulness of such a camera. IMO, of course.

ubique

Olympus PEN-F

09/22/2011 09:58:44 AM · #24

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by ubique:

What about this one? I'm impressed but I'm technically naive. I'd love to have your opinion Fritz.

I haven't looked much at the NEX system, but from what I'm reading it's pretty well thought of. If I were considering it, the very first thing I'd check is what memory format it uses. Does it only support the Sony Memory Stick format? If so, that would be tough to swallow.
The other thing I'd look closely at is what lenses are supported. Like the Nikon 1, it seems that most of them are sssllllooowww. I guess that's because the target market wouldn't know a fast lens if it bit 'em, but it sure puts a crimp in the usefulness of such a camera. IMO, of course.

Thank you. I appreciate your thoughts on this. The basic kit lens is indeed very slow (18-55 f3.5-5.6). But Sony says the body can be had instead with Carl Zeiss 24mm f1.8, which would be my first choice. It might even be my only choice though, in which case a fast fixed lens compact with a large sensor might be even better.