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08/07/2011 06:21:01 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
Rudolf Bultmann would get a kick out of this discussion.
I'm getting a kick out of it too. Protestant Liberalism tried to reinterpret the Bible 100+ years ago. This dutch pastor is just proposing a new version of it. Boring... |
Considering the number of times that the bible has undergone review and modifications, why would you find this specific instance boring.
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The history of the Bible is always a fascinating subject, but your statement sounds like it has more teeth than it really does. |
... but it nonetheless still has teeth and still warrants an answer as to why our friend  johnnyphoto finds this particular version "Boring".
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08/07/2011 06:35:34 PM · #52 |
| Well, this particular heresy (concerning the divinity of Christ) had come and gone many times. In fact, creeds were generally produced to denounce heresies such as this. The Nicene creed was written to reaffirm the divinity of Christ. So on one hand I guess you could say that wherever there have been Christians, there have been the few who do not consider Jesus to be divine. But there has always been a majority to reject them. |
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08/07/2011 07:11:53 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, this particular heresy (concerning the divinity of Christ) had come and gone many times. In fact, creeds were generally produced to denounce heresies such as this. The Nicene creed was written to reaffirm the divinity of Christ. So on one hand I guess you could say that wherever there have been Christians, there have been the few who do not consider Jesus to be divine. But there has always been a majority to reject them. |
But again.....that doesn't necessarily make them right.....merely populous.
And once again, rather than acceptance, and the willingness to love them just the same, they're rejected......how Christian is that?
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08/07/2011 08:21:30 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, this particular heresy (concerning the divinity of Christ) had come and gone many times. In fact, creeds were generally produced to denounce heresies such as this. The Nicene creed was written to reaffirm the divinity of Christ. So on one hand I guess you could say that wherever there have been Christians, there have been the few who do not consider Jesus to be divine. But there has always been a majority to reject them. |
But again.....that doesn't necessarily make them right.....merely populous.
And once again, rather than acceptance, and the willingness to love them just the same, they're rejected......how Christian is that? |
This is well trod territory. We weren't discussing "truth" (as in factually "right" or "wrong") we were discussing the tenets of the faith (as in "what do Christians believe?"). A majority opinion doesn't necessarily define the former, but it does help describe the latter. The divinity of Christ has been a central pillar of Christianity from the earliest NT scriptures up through modernity. There is no period one could point to where this would not hold true.
On the second note, one can be rejected and loved. They are not mutually exclusive. There is no compulsion to reject protecting doctrine just because we are also called to love others. The juxtaposition is entirely Christian. There are many passages in the Bible that speak to such things.
EDIT: to remove what was bound to become a confusing argument.
Message edited by author 2011-08-07 21:00:04. |
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08/07/2011 10:28:15 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
... but it nonetheless still has teeth and still warrants an answer as to why our friend johnnyphoto finds this particular version "Boring".
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It's history repeating itself. Not too exciting... |
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08/08/2011 05:21:03 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
... but it nonetheless still has teeth and still warrants an answer as to why our friend johnnyphoto finds this particular version "Boring".
Ray |
It's history repeating itself. Not too exciting... |
...so if Jesus came back (repeating history) that would be boring also... right??? :O)
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08/08/2011 12:09:50 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by johnnyphoto:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
... but it nonetheless still has teeth and still warrants an answer as to why our friend johnnyphoto finds this particular version "Boring".
Ray |
It's history repeating itself. Not too exciting... |
...so if Jesus came back (repeating history) that would be boring also... right??? :O)
Ray |
You mean these? I'm afraid I have to side with Johnny on this one. It does get boring after awhile.
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08/09/2011 11:27:35 AM · #58 |
Protestant Liberalism and its demythologization and rejection of supernaturalism was a big deal in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Liberalism went mainstream but look at it now... The vast majority of mainline protestant churches that jumped on the liberal train 100 years ago are shrinking in size. The orthodox/conservative/evangelical churches are growing.
The dutch have historically been quite conservative. Maybe they didn't catch on to liberalism the first time around, so they're playing catch-up 100 years later. |
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