Again another photo underrated - DPChallenge Forums

08/03/2011 12:25:14 PM · #26

Originally posted by yanko:

Beetle's argument is illogical. One's voting average has absolutely nothing to do with how well or how poorly their own entry will score. By your logic everyone's scores should equal their voting averages, which of course doesn't happen. It sounds like you two think his work isn't very good, but don't want to come out and say it.

What it suggests to me when someone has a very low average cast and complains about coming in higher than that average, is that either they are an exceptional photographer and truly far above others in talent, or they overrate themselves and have a thin skin. There are many of both on this site.

08/03/2011 12:34:31 PM · #27

Originally posted by posthumous:

You got great comments and seven 1s. I would be so happy to get that. I only got two 1s. Really? I only offended or completely confused TWO people??? FAIL!!!!

You are slipping. You'll be doing wine glasses soon.

ray_mefarso

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08/03/2011 12:36:48 PM · #28

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by bohemka:

Originally posted by Beetle:

YOU give out an average of 4.3 - so that is what the average standard of DPC is in your opinion.

This photo came in at 4.8 - half a point higher than your average, you should be very proud.

Beetle makes a fair point here, Daniele. Since this isn't the first time you've complained about your score, which was again higher than the average score you hand out, I'd be interested in your response.

Beetle's argument is illogical. One's voting average has absolutely nothing to do with how well or how poorly their own entry will score. By your logic everyone's scores should equal their voting averages, which of course doesn't happen. It sounds like you two think his work isn't very good, but don't want to come out and say it. If that's the case then maybe offering up your own critiques would be a more beneficial than to continue promoting an illogical argument that keeps popping up from time to time.

It's true that a voting average has no relation to how an entry will score, but the OP DOES score their own entry - in the original post he believed it should have scored above a 6. Therefore, the poster is claiming that the image is some way better than the average (by their own scoring) image that is on DPC. Now, this may or may not be true (others clearly don't think so), it doesn't really matter, but the poster then goes on to criticise the voting of others. I found that strange until I read his later post: "it's nice to see what's happening throwing a stone......" The poster has achieved his original goal - to get recognition, comments, forum posts for his self-described under-rated toe picture. I feel a bit silly contributing to his ego-trip but thought I would, just to say "I know your game."

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

08/03/2011 12:43:07 PM · #29

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by yanko:
Beetle's argument is illogical. One's voting average has absolutely nothing to do with how well or how poorly their own entry will score. By your logic everyone's scores should equal their voting averages, which of course doesn't happen. It sounds like you two think his work isn't very good, but don't want to come out and say it.

What it suggests to me when someone has a very low average cast and complains about coming in higher than that average, is that either they are an exceptional photographer and truly far above others in talent, or they overrate themselves and have a thin skin. There are many of both on this site.

True but that's not the only reasons. The fact of the matter is you don't have to be a good photographer to know what you like and don't like. Case in point, Last movie you saw and rated thread. I doubt there are many film makers on this site, let alone good ones.

Anyway, the point is there are better ways to go about it than to bring up their voting average as a negative, especially when it has nothing to do with the quality of the entry in question.

Message edited by author 2011-08-03 12:45:31.

fotomann_forever

08/03/2011 12:54:47 PM · #30

I used to make these sort of rants. I think some may remember a nude girl with a grinder in an Industrial challenge. Not one of my most productive rants.

As far as the photo in the OP, it really doesn't scream "Tickle Me" to me. Couple those DNMC votes with some technical flaws and lackluster composition and movable clutter in the background and you have a good formula for a subpar score.

hihosilver

Nikon D200

08/03/2011 12:57:00 PM · #31

Originally posted by danieletagliabue:

I

Really disappointed with a 4.8 result for this photo, quite offensive

YIKES!...an improperly pedicured foot...I'm completely offended...4!

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08/03/2011 12:57:01 PM · #32

Originally posted by yanko:

Anyway, the point is there are better ways to go about it than to bring up their voting average as a negative, especially when it has nothing to do with the quality of the entry in question.

But it does. It has everything to do with that one person's perception of quality. A salesperson once told me "perception is reality".

amsterdamman

Canon EOS-5D

08/03/2011 12:58:59 PM · #33

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by yanko:
Anyway, the point is there are better ways to go about it than to bring up their voting average as a negative, especially when it has nothing to do with the quality of the entry in question.

But it does. It has everything to do with that one person's perception of quality. A salesperson once told me "perception is reality".

He still drives that AMC Pacer to this very day :)

Message edited by author 2011-08-03 12:59:34.

08/03/2011 01:02:43 PM · #34

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

HIS perception. If you think his perception is off than explain why the photo doesn't work. His voting average has nothing to do with how the photo was scored by the masses.

08/03/2011 01:04:45 PM · #35

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

gyaban lit it then yes it would scream "Tickle Me" or the voters wouldn't care. :P

crowis

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Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

08/03/2011 01:11:27 PM · #36

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I used to make these sort of rants. I think some may remember a nude girl with a grinder in an Industrial challenge. Not one of my most productive rants.

As far as the photo in the OP, it really doesn't scream "Tickle Me" to me. Couple those DNMC votes with some technical flaws and lackluster composition and movable clutter in the background and you have a good formula for a subpar score.

If gyaban lit it then yes it would scream "Tickle Me" or the voters wouldn't care. :P

LOL

fotomann_forever

08/03/2011 01:12:36 PM · #37

Originally posted by yanko:

If gyaban lit it then yes it would scream "Tickle Me" or the voters wouldn't care. :P

Perhaps a bit more "focus" on the foot, a la this technique:

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08/03/2011 01:16:42 PM · #38

Originally posted by yanko:

HIS perception. If you think his perception is off than explain why the photo doesn't work. His voting average has nothing to do with how the photo was scored by the masses.

Exactly! You've got it. His perception is that 4.3 is a reasonable rating for others but not for himself. His reality is that he is far above average and an above average score is still an insult.

blindjustice

Canon EOS-7D

08/03/2011 01:20:39 PM · #39

Originally posted by ray_mefarso:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by bohemka:

Originally posted by Beetle:

YOU give out an average of 4.3 - so that is what the average standard of DPC is in your opinion.

This photo came in at 4.8 - half a point higher than your average, you should be very proud.

Beetle makes a fair point here, Daniele. Since this isn't the first time you've complained about your score, which was again higher than the average score you hand out, I'd be interested in your response.

Beetle's argument is illogical. One's voting average has absolutely nothing to do with how well or how poorly their own entry will score. By your logic everyone's scores should equal their voting averages, which of course doesn't happen. It sounds like you two think his work isn't very good, but don't want to come out and say it. If that's the case then maybe offering up your own critiques would be a more beneficial than to continue promoting an illogical argument that keeps popping up from time to time.

It's true that a voting average has no relation to how an entry will score, but the OP DOES score their own entry - in the original post he believed it should have scored above a 6. Therefore, the poster is claiming that the image is some way better than the average (by their own scoring) image that is on DPC. Now, this may or may not be true (others clearly don't think so), it doesn't really matter, but the poster then goes on to criticise the voting of others. I found that strange until I read his later post: "it's nice to see what's happening throwing a stone......" The poster has achieved his original goal - to get recognition, comments, forum posts for his self-described under-rated toe picture. I feel a bit silly contributing to his ego-trip but thought I would, just to say "I know your game."

Perhaps a nude shot of a hotter model would have scored higher. just sayin...

bohemka

Nikon D700

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

08/03/2011 01:30:14 PM · #40

Originally posted by yanko:

This is a weird post. No one was making that argument.

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08/03/2011 01:36:50 PM · #41

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

His perception is that 4.3 is a reasonable rating for others but not for himself. His reality is that he is far above average and an above average score is still an insult.

But he's never given out that rating. That's an average. You're comparing apples to elephants. If I gave your entry a 6 it means I thought YOUR photo in Challenge X deserved that score, period. It has nothing to do with what I think of my own work. My voting average is 5.6 but my scoring average is 6.28 so judging by your logic I would need to be flogged as well.

bohemka

Nikon D700

08/03/2011 01:41:30 PM · #42

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
His perception is that 4.3 is a reasonable rating for others but not for himself. His reality is that he is far above average and an above average score is still an insult.

But he's never given out that rating. That's an average. You're comparing apples to elephants. If I gave your entry a 6 it means I thought YOUR photo in Challenge X deserved that score, period. It has nothing to do with what I think of my own work. My voting average is 5.6 but my scoring average is 6.28 so judging by your logic I would need to be flogged as well.

If that score offended you? Sure.

Edit: This was a joke, gone unnoticed.

Message edited by author 2011-08-03 14:14:01.

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08/03/2011 01:47:29 PM · #43

Originally posted by bohemka:

Huh? This is like the twilight zone.

theluissales

Canon EOS R7

08/03/2011 01:50:25 PM · #44

It always amazes me how much time is wasted on pointless discussions... People have too much free time on their hands... lol

giantmike

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08/03/2011 01:53:30 PM · #45

Originally posted by yanko:

I'm not sure you really understand the argument that was made (I'm basing this off all of your responses, and reading the original posts that spurred this). What they are saying is that someone's average vote given is what they think an average photo at DPC is. By scoring a half point higher than what they believe is an average image, then this person should see the score they received as above average.

To put it another way, if my average score given out was 5.0, and I scored a 5.5 on an image, then I could reasonably think that I scored above average based on all of the other photos I have ever rated.

one2one

Olympus E-5

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

08/03/2011 01:55:55 PM · #46

Originally posted by lreynelsg:

It always amazes me how much time is wasted on pointless discussions... People have too much free time on their hands... lol

You're new to the internet I presume.

08/03/2011 01:57:11 PM · #47

Originally posted by giantmike:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
His perception is that 4.3 is a reasonable rating for others but not for himself. His reality is that he is far above average and an above average score is still an insult.

But he's never given out that rating. That's an average. You're comparing apples to elephants. If I gave your entry a 6 it means I thought YOUR photo in Challenge X deserved that score, period. It has nothing to do with what I think of my own work. My voting average is 5.6 but my scoring average is 6.28 so judging by your logic I would need to be flogged as well.

I'm not sure you really understand the argument that was made (I'm basing this off all of your responses, and reading the original posts that spurred this). What they are saying is that someone's average vote given is what they think an average photo at DPC is. By scoring a half point higher than what they believe is an average image, then this person should see the score they received as above average.

To put it another way, if my average score given out was 5.0, and I scored a 5.5 on an image, then I could reasonably think that I scored above average based on all of the other photos I have ever rated.

Yeah I got that. My point is that argument is flawed. It says nothing about the photo in question (i.e. whether it was underrated or overrated). The OP's voting standards isn't what the masses use. How he would score it and how the masses scored it are two entirely different things. The two are not related.

Edited for clarity

Message edited by author 2011-08-03 14:02:20.