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07/24/2011 02:37:53 PM · #1 |
Hi
I am entering a photography contest of Arab horses I need help in deciding between these two shots before I start doing the mask for the background.
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07/24/2011 02:50:33 PM · #2 |
7908 (the top shot) is the better shot. You can see more of the horses eye and the angle is better.
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07/24/2011 02:56:34 PM · #3 |
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07/24/2011 03:15:38 PM · #4 |
Posture on 7907 is significantly better, and anyway the eye on 7908 seems "spooked" to me; but then, I'm no expert.
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07/24/2011 03:16:27 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
left some notes... |
Not that I can see, you didn't :-( |
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07/24/2011 03:24:23 PM · #6 |
The tail is out of the frame on 7907 and the horse looks more upright in that picture as well because the camera is tilted...more of an illusion rather than reality. I still think the first one...7908 is the better of the two. I also thing the hind legs look better in the first shot. The left leg in the bottom shot looks limp or funny here. I also like seeing both of the front legs in the top shot and the mane looks much nicer in the top shot...more interest. Many pluses IMO for the first shot. More negatives in the second.
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07/24/2011 03:31:08 PM · #7 |
Guys... does anyone like the details for the contest? There is a lot of money to be won!
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07/24/2011 03:31:48 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by DCNUTTER:
The tail is out of the frame on 7907 and the horse looks more upright in that picture as well because the camera is tilted...more of an illusion rather than reality. |
Compare forehoof positions on the two shots, and you can see 7907 is significantly more upright. Basically, from the waist up (jejeje) 7907 is better for forelegs, neck angle, head position, stability of eyes. Hind legs are a little weird I agree, and according to Ja-9 the tail cutoff makes that pose an also-ran, however.
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07/24/2011 03:37:41 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Guys... does anyone like the details for the contest? There is a lot of money to be won! |
Contest
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07/24/2011 03:45:07 PM · #10 |
| The bit makes the horse look uncomfortable. |
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07/24/2011 05:03:37 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Guys... does anyone like the details for the contest? There is a lot of money to be won! |
Contest |
Lord, what I wouldn't do to have just one of the horses that my parents had when I was growing up...we had an Arabian Horse Farm in Michigan with about 60 head of horses...my parents breed and sold them, at one time they had a pretty impressive bloodline...
Can you re-shoot Tareq? It might well be worth it. I know the BG can be fixed but there are some real flaws to the body positioning in both pictures. IF you could combine the two then maybe...but I'm thinking that's a definite "No-No" |
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07/24/2011 05:53:11 PM · #12 |
What a fun contest for you to enter! The photos you posted are certainly wonderful additions to your portfolio, and the horse clearly a beautiful, energetic, and exceptional Arabian. However, I don't know that either image will capture you a winning spot in the contest for a variety of reasons.
For additional inspiration, you may wish to consider looking at the portfolios of these professional equine photogs (all of whom photograph Arabian horses and other breeds as well) :
 Ristyz
Lynnesite
Reephoto
Karenk
SFMorris
Izadoodle
Keep us posted how it goes! Good Luck! ;-) |
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07/24/2011 06:09:44 PM · #13 |
I just photographed a horse. What do you think? :P
(thought it's not arabian :)
I see bear's point. The horse doesn't seem as comfortable in the first one. I also like the shadow in the second one, and the fact that it's not interrupted by a foot. But I don't like the more tilted horizon and the missing part of the tail. However, I don't know about horses, so there's probably many more things at which I should be looking.
Message edited by author 2011-07-24 18:13:29. |
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07/24/2011 07:38:20 PM · #14 |
*waving* Uhm hi there, my name is snaffles and I'm a professional horse trainer and the only horse I have ever owned was an Egyptian Arabian, and I have shot horse shows, though I have yet to shoot an exclusively Arabian horse show.
Anyway go with 7908. Keep the tail in, though I also did liked the cocked hind hoof in 7909, think it adds dynamics and interest. With both hind feet planted firmly on the turf, looks a little too much like a Franklin Mint figurine.
As a horse pro, I don't like at all the fact that stud is rolling his eye towards the camera; it shows unease at the very least, fear at the worst. If at all possible I'd shoot him again and not so tightly...there is no visual space for him to land from his rear. I am not crazy about whatever bit that horse has in his mouth, but I've yet to see an Arab stud shown with a chain over his nose. (That teeny little black halter on his head is made of airplane cable.) In terms of the photo, it's OK, but the lighting looks very harsh. Can you do something to help pop those dapples a little?
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07/24/2011 08:23:04 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I just photographed a horse. What do you think? :P
(thought it's not arabian :) |
Would you be happy if someone posted a picture of you, with your tongue hanging out, on the internet, for all the world to see, ? I think not.
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07/24/2011 09:10:25 PM · #16 |
The first photograph is my preference of the two as it has much more "movement" in the mane and tail and the angle of the horse feels more spirited and well weighted. Also the mane in the second photograph looks somewhat thin and sickly. Although I haven't much experience in photographing horses, I used to show color as well as studied equestrian anatomy in depth for painting and sketching purposes.
Honestly though, I think you might consider shooting her again just to try and get an all around better pose (especially the eye) as well as camera angle/lighting- perhaps let him run free and catch some candid shots - but if re-shooting isn't an option, go with the first. That's my two cents.
Message edited by author 2011-07-25 07:32:32. |
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07/24/2011 09:22:34 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
*waving* Uhm hi there, my name is snaffles and I'm a professional horse trainer and the only horse I have ever owned was an Egyptian Arabian, and I have shot horse shows, though I have yet to shoot an exclusively Arabian horse show. |
*waves back*...wow! I love Egyptian Arabs...incredible courage and stamina! Your karma truly breathes much happiness then along with your new job!
I beg to agree to disagree on the images below though. Although nicely presented, the feeling of the horse in the images below will not be enough to win (IMHO). The horse is a terrific model and I really do think the OP could re-do the image to get a winner.
Just my two opinionated non-expert cents...;-) |
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07/24/2011 09:25:34 PM · #18 |
| Hihosilver, I did not notice your links earlier. Excellent sources of horse-photo inspiration! Beautiful! |
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07/24/2011 09:28:17 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by melodicgrace:
Hihosilver, I did not notice your links earlier. Excellent sources of horse-photo inspiration! Beautiful! |
They certainly are a very talented group...::sigh of appreciation and envy:: |
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07/25/2011 04:07:16 AM · #20 |
    
Sorry to crowd you I did take some more shots and I really would love your comments and notes |
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07/25/2011 09:21:59 AM · #21 |
| Left you comments on the new photos, Tareq. Hope they help. |
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07/25/2011 09:57:19 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Guys... does anyone like the details for the contest? There is a lot of money to be won! |
Contest |
Lord, what I wouldn't do to have just one of the horses that my parents had when I was growing up...we had an Arabian Horse Farm in Michigan with about 60 head of horses...my parents breed and sold them, at one time they had a pretty impressive bloodline...
Can you re-shoot Tareq? It might well be worth it. I know the BG can be fixed but there are some real flaws to the body positioning in both pictures. IF you could combine the two then maybe...but I'm thinking that's a definite "No-No" |
Hamdulilah, I have a Carte Blanche to photograph at the Royal Stables of Jordan, here they have several of the rarest bloodlines there are, and some unique strains that are not to be found except at the Royal Stables of Jordan. I have taken well over a 1000 shots in the last two days, and after you asked if I could, I decided to go tomorrow to try to do better, after I have received all the helpful comments, and hopefully I will receive some more comments and notes today.
Thanks to you all
Message edited by author 2011-07-25 09:59:17. |
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07/25/2011 10:05:24 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Guys... does anyone like the details for the contest? There is a lot of money to be won! |
Contest |
Lord, what I wouldn't do to have just one of the horses that my parents had when I was growing up...we had an Arabian Horse Farm in Michigan with about 60 head of horses...my parents breed and sold them, at one time they had a pretty impressive bloodline...
Can you re-shoot Tareq? It might well be worth it. I know the BG can be fixed but there are some real flaws to the body positioning in both pictures. IF you could combine the two then maybe...but I'm thinking that's a definite "No-No" |
Hamdulilah, I have a Carte Blanche to photograph at the Royal Stables of Jordan, here they have several of the rarest bloodlines there are, and some unique strains that are not to be found except at the Royal Stables of Jordan. I have taken well over a 1100 shots in the last two days, and after you asked if I could, I decided to go tomorrow to try to do better, after I have received all the helpful comments, and hopefully I will receive some more comments and notes today.
Thanks to you all |
Tareq, what exactly are you planning to do with the BG? heavy gaussian blur? If you can spend sometime in the barn/stalls, I really love sfmorris pictures that are taken in the barn. To me some of her pictures really, really portray Arabians and their beauty. It is very hard to get a horse in action and still have the clarity that you want and need. Do you have to use the "pen" area or can you take them out someplace that has a better BG? You are lucky to have access to these beauties....makes me homesick.... |
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07/25/2011 10:19:28 AM · #24 |
Thanks Ja-9
Once I have chosen the photos I'm going to use I will use Topaz mask to create a flawless mask and I will decide then, I know I need to take the BG out, but haven't decided on what goes back in, maybe a well studied lens blur!
And this is the kind of photos they like to see
Message edited by author 2011-07-25 10:20:28. |
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07/25/2011 10:33:24 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Thanks Ja-9
Once I have chosen the photos I'm going to use I will use Topaz mask to create a flawless mask and I will decide then, I know I need to take the BG out, but haven't decided on what goes back in, maybe a well studied lens blur!
And this is the kind of photos they like to see |
can you use a filter that helps to "whiten" the horse more? In hair styling I would use purple shampoo to take yellow tinge out of hair...not sure if it would work the same here...just think'n out loud...can't possibly get those beautiful beasts out to the dessert (I have NO idea where you are and where the dessert is in conjunction (or NOT)...Lord, that would be amazing |
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