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07/22/2011 01:50:35 PM · #26 |
One of the chief reasons that gays were not allowed in the military (even though they have always served) was that should someone find out about their orientation, they could be subject to blackmail. It was not a stupid rule when homosexuality was totally rejected by society, but today when society is largely accepting of homosexuality, the only thing you could blackmail a gay in the army with is the fact that the army would kick him out because he is prone to be blackmailed. Allowing gays to serve openly makes our armed forces stronger.
As far as orientation as a choice, I for one never toted up the positives and negatives of being hetero or homosexual before making my choice. I also never remember deciding whether I wanted to be right handed or left handed. I know that there are a few folk who can swing from either side of the plate, and they do have a decision to make, but the vast majority of us can only swing one way. Its almost like we are born that way. |
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07/22/2011 01:54:20 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by hawkeyefilms:
I wonder how many DPCers are gay?... |
... and if not, who WOULD they be gay for?
I'd consider being gay for Brad Pitt, but he'd have to make the first move. |
Setting your sights a bit high there on Brad Pitt Mr: 
I'm just saying, maybe you should hope for a call from Tim Allen first is all.... |
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07/22/2011 03:11:32 PM · #28 |
I`m glad to see this provoked serious discussion, which of course is why I posted it in the first place.
After doing some research earlier today, I found that homosexuality in the Armed Forces has long been `touched` upon in the media for quite sometime.
I found this documentary earlier and it is rather thought provoking. Sad in some ways, joyous is other ways. |
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07/22/2011 03:26:39 PM · #29 |
Although I am long past the point of being a serviceable warrior....
If I am pinned down, or about to be killed or captured, I really do not care who it is that steps in and saves my ass.
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07/22/2011 07:48:42 PM · #30 |
| One of the things I really like about the military is the very diverse make-up of the people who serve. We have a little of everything and everyone, with the exception of the morbidly obese. In general, if you can do your job, we don't care if you're Christian or Hindi, black or white, gay or straight. Some folks are less tolerant than others in their private lives, but professionally everyone is "tolerant" on the job. |
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07/22/2011 08:01:10 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I`m glad to see this provoked serious discussion, which of course is why I posted it in the first place.
After doing some research earlier today, I found that homosexuality in the Armed Forces has long been `touched` upon in the media for quite sometime.
I found this documentary earlier and it is rather thought provoking. Sad in some ways, joyous is other ways. |
Originally posted by Simms:
So, homosexuals are now allowed to be Gay & Proud in the US armed forces. Good thing? Bad thing? Surely the straight soldiers will be worried that their gay comrades will be checking them out whilst in uniform ala The Village People. Will the gay soldiers now be allowed to `accessorise ` their uniforms so they are not as dull.
Serious question..
Discuss. |
Simms, you and I are old-timers in this community and I know you can provoke discussion using other means than the apparent denigration of the key factor in the discussion.
I wish you had done that in this instance.
for more information, you might at least glance at that source I posted earlier today, if you wish to touch on media reporting. Here's another link to Coming out under fire.
Aww, heck, I'll even give you the editorial review:
This major study chronicles the struggle of homosexuals in the U.S. military during WW II who found themselves fighting on two fronts: against the Axis and against their own authorities who took extreme measures to stigmatize them as unfit to serve their country. From 1941 to 1945, more than 9000 gay servicemen and women purportedly were diagnosed as sexual psychopaths and given "undesirable" discharges. Based on documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, augmented by 75 interviews with gay male and female veterans, social historian Berube recounts the purges in the military into the Cold War era when homosexuality was officially equated with sin, crime and sickness. The book reveals that the first public challenge to the military's policy came not from the gay-rights movement but from military psychiatrists who studied gay servicemen and women during World War II. This evenhanded study brings into sharp focus an important chapter in American social history
Message edited by author 2011-07-22 20:30:09.
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07/22/2011 09:37:58 PM · #32 |
I thought don't ask dont tell ended a year or so ago, maybe it was just announced that it was going to end? But hey, I`m just some crazy, accepting, tolerant Canadian so what do I know
the onion's take on this:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp
and the West Wing(TV)
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWOamlD9_8 |
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07/22/2011 10:15:12 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by hawkeyefilms:
I wonder how many DPCers are gay?... |
... and if not, who WOULD they be gay for?
I'd consider being gay for Brad Pitt, but he'd have to make the first move. |
Wait are you telling me you aren't gay?
Matt |
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07/22/2011 10:25:25 PM · #34 |
| lols, this is a topic? ha ha hahahaha hahahahaaaaa. |
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