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07/21/2011 10:58:21 PM · #51

Originally posted by CJinCA:

Not that I did a monochrome but:

You May: "fully desaturate your image using your editing softwareâ��s â��desaturate,â�� â��convert to grayscaleâ�� or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed."

you can shoot in B&W for that matter.

mefnj

Nikon D7100

07/21/2011 11:47:12 PM · #52

this really was a hard challenge to complete, but i learned a lot more about my camera settings!

good luck everyone!

alright... on to light painting...

-mefnj

MelonMusketeer

Nikon D7000

Nikon MF 50mm f/1.4

07/21/2011 11:57:04 PM · #53

This was an easy one if you have ever shot slide film. It's pretty much "what you shoot is what you get".

mefnj

Nikon D7100

07/22/2011 12:14:35 AM · #54

Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:

This was an easy one if you have ever shot slide film. It's pretty much "what you shoot is what you get".

i started with film way back when... and i have the boxes and boxes of crap shots to prove it! ;-)

thank goodness for digital!

-mefnj

crowis

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

07/22/2011 12:18:47 AM · #55

I chose to enter a photo "no matter what" into this challenge, as I always wanted to shoot the subject I entered. I am already bombing and I feel both Good that I knew it would tank and Bad that I chose to enter it anyway. Good in that I am not afraid to get my ass kicked, and bad that I chose to let it happen. LOL.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

07/22/2011 12:37:57 AM · #56

Originally posted by crowis:

Forget the score. Don't accept that DPC scores represent what's good (or bad, for that matter).

Do YOU like your photo? Then proudly share it and invite comment by entering.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

07/22/2011 12:44:43 AM · #57

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by HawkinsT:
Aww, I had an entry all lined up for this, then I realised/remembered as I got ready to upload it that you can't shoot in RAW :<. Don't suppose someone could enlighten me as to the purpose of this rule? Obviously there is one, but it alludes me for the time being. Also does anyone know of an easy way to extract the jpeg preview from a raw file which would make it legal in a minimal editing challenge (I'm assuming the resolution would be acceptable for an 800pixel width image)?

I think (and I'm sure someone will correct me...at least I hope so) you can do "tweaks" to a RAW file that you can not do with JPEG therefore it keeps the playing field level per say. And if you remember we all asked for more minimal challenges, therefore a different rule set...two times while I was shooting this I had put my camera back to RAW thinking I was done...and guess what...took some great pictures and had to go back to the drawing board again...you would think one time was enough...and here's the kicker...I knew about the JPEG rule...I just forgot that I'd switched my camera back...sigh

It's not merely that you *can* tweak a RAW file: in fact, you *must*. There's no way to post a RAW file. It must be converted to JPG. And the only way to do that is by using software that gives you all kinds of editing options. RAW isn't merely a different format; it's literally exactly what the camera recorded, before it applied contrast, color balance, and sharpening.

That's why "straight out of the camera" isn't "real." Your camera lies, every single time, because it applies those adjustments to create a JPG file. In fact, the best description I know for why photographers like RAW files is that they want to make those choices, not have the camera make them. To test it for yourself, just look at the same scene shot with different cameras, or two images of the same scene, before and after you change those settings on the camera. They're both "straight from the camera," but they look radically different.

And that's *after* you make choices about composition, exposure, lenses, focal length, filters, and any "edits" you make to the scene first (brushing hair, removing distracting things from the background, etc.).

So don't equate even minimal editing with photojournalism or "reality" or "no art" or even "what you saw."

That said, I love this rule set, and it's the closest thing we'll ever have to "what the photographer saw."

Message edited by author 2011-07-22 00:48:30.

Ja-9

Nikon D750

07/22/2011 12:47:13 AM · #58

that reminds me to set my camera back to RAW now...otherwise I'll be kicking myself when I do my next shoot...

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/22/2011 02:36:35 AM · #59

Thanks

Cory for the comments, I do know that it wasn't your comment. For the record - I have no problem at all with Minimal editing in challenges (I have a ribbon from that rule set) - I certainly wasn't advocating a Photoshop is a must position - just objecting to the notion that meant that Minimal editing was about showing the world as it actually is. That would exclude such simple (and minimal) choices as under / over exposure (for example). That isn't controversial is it?

07/23/2011 01:21:17 AM · #60

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Originally posted by TheDruid:
To me, a camera that distorts reality to meet some pseudo example of a visual concept defeats the purpose of minmal editting.

In short, take a picture, resize and submit. Let us see what you saw, not what you want us to see.

All other editting types, to me, shold be used to convey what you feel.

i.e. Remove all semblance of art then.

if you think so. your choice.

07/23/2011 01:22:24 AM · #61

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by crowis:
I chose to enter a photo "no matter what" into this challenge, as I always wanted to shoot the subject I entered. I am already bombing and I feel both Good that I knew it would tank and Bad that I chose to enter it anyway. Good in that I am not afraid to get my ass kicked, and bad that I chose to let it happen. LOL.

Forget the score. Don't accept that DPC scores represent what's good (or bad, for that matter).

Do YOU like your photo? Then proudly share it and invite comment by entering.

Agree.

07/23/2011 01:25:08 AM · #62

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

But to say Minimal = 'show us what you saw' seeks to limit artistic possibilities.

Just to be fair, I didn't say that... It was TheDruid who said that... And I just saw another thread where he dismissed LÃ¡rus's ( lallisig) work as "very boring images. Technically sharp, but convey nothing", so I get the feeling he likes a little controversy....

lols, stalker...

How can showing U's what you saw in one challenge out of a thousand limit your artistic measure?

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/23/2011 02:15:21 AM · #63

Originally posted by TheDruid:

How can showing U's what you saw in one challenge out of a thousand limit your artistic measure?

By limiting choices to point of view and framing... By your definition, I can't manipulate my exposure to artistic effect, I can't use my Lensbaby, I can't use physical (Cokin type) filters. If the intention is to replicate reality, all such choices would take me further away from your 'ideal'.

Nordlys

Canon EOS R10

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

07/23/2011 02:32:05 AM · #64

"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/23/2011 06:07:30 AM · #65

Originally posted by Nordlys:

"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Good point, well made.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

07/23/2011 10:38:58 AM · #66

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Originally posted by Nordlys:
"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Good point, well made.

Umm ... what?

So limitations are the friend of art?

Can one of you explain, maybe with an example or two?

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

07/23/2011 11:40:45 AM · #67

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Originally posted by Nordlys:
"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Good point, well made.

Umm ... what?

So limitations are the friend of art?

Can one of you explain, maybe with an example or two?

Necessity is the mother of invention. :)

DomD

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

07/23/2011 11:59:31 AM · #68

I'm currently voting for this challenge and once again there is a peacock feather. Is it just me or has there been at least 2 or 3 peacock feathers in each of the last few challenges.

Message edited by author 2011-07-23 14:07:32.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

07/23/2011 12:04:46 PM · #69

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by paulbtlw:
[quote=Nordlys] "The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Good point, well made.

Umm ... what?

So limitations are the friend of art?

Can one of you explain, maybe with an example or two?

I think

clive_patric_nolan said in another discussion a few months ago that he is more creative when he has some bars to beat his head against. I understand the concept as well. If a challenge topic of "humor" was posted, I would probably draw a blank, but I can more easily come up with a humorous approach to a given topic. It gives me a concept that I can explore and manipulate until it works for me.

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

07/23/2011 12:53:20 PM · #70

Originally posted by levyj413:

Think "deadlines". Human thought works much better and is far more creative when it is confronted with limitations. When I was directing, the smaller the budget, the more inventive I had to be.

07/23/2011 05:14:36 PM · #71

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Originally posted by Nordlys:
"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Good point, well made.

flip flopper ... ;-)

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/23/2011 06:21:54 PM · #72

Originally posted by TheDruid:

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Originally posted by Nordlys:
"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations." -- Orson Welles

Good point, well made.

flip flopper ... ;-)

Not really ;-) I think Minimal invite people to stretch the envelope - not the same thing as showing what we saw; more like showing what we created.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

07/23/2011 11:49:06 PM · #73

Cory, Yo_Spiff, and Tanguera: thanks very much for explaining. Your points make a lot of sense.

I especially like the notion of needing something to bang my head against.

What's funny is that for quite a while, I tended to do better in Free Studies than specific challenges, while others often said the reverse was true. Maybe that's why I needed a little help understanding this. :)