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07/20/2011 11:02:20 PM · #27

Originally posted by FourPointX:

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot

I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!

have you forgotten who only has a point and shoot :)

I can deal with all the restrictions in Minimal Editing EXCEPT not being able to crop (and to a lesser extent, free rotate)... I realize I do so much of my composition in pp (not to mention that I can't zoom close enough to some of my subjects for this challenge to get it the way I want it).

aaaargh!

-mefnj

07/20/2011 11:05:34 PM · #28

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by FourPointX:

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot

I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!

have you forgotten who only has a point and shoot :)

I can deal with all the restrictions in Minimal Editing EXCEPT not being able to crop (and to a lesser extent, free rotate)... I realize I do so much of my composition in pp (not to mention that I can't zoom close enough to some of my subjects for this challenge to get it the way I want it).

aaaargh!

-mefnj

Well, then I would suggest you pay very close attention to exactly those details, both when shooting, and especially when voting! :)

mefnj

Nikon D7100

07/21/2011 11:18:22 AM · #29

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by FourPointX:

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot

I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!

have you forgotten who only has a point and shoot :)

I can deal with all the restrictions in Minimal Editing EXCEPT not being able to crop (and to a lesser extent, free rotate)... I realize I do so much of my composition in pp (not to mention that I can't zoom close enough to some of my subjects for this challenge to get it the way I want it).

aaaargh!

-mefnj

Well, then I would suggest you pay very close attention to exactly those details, both when shooting, and especially when voting! :)

yes, more grace and leeway given in a Minimal Editing challenge.

-mefnj

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/21/2011 11:51:11 AM · #30

Originally posted by TheDruid:

i.e. Remove all semblance of art then.

antje1777

07/21/2011 12:27:50 PM · #31

I thought RAW is the way it has to be presented to site council?

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot

I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!

markwiley

Fujifilm X-Pro2

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

07/21/2011 01:00:27 PM · #32

Originally posted by antje1777:

I thought RAW is the way it has to be presented to site council?

For Minimal Editing you cannot shoot RAW. You have to shoot jpg.

Message edited by author 2011-07-21 13:01:02.

Ja-9

Nikon D750

07/21/2011 01:04:07 PM · #33

Originally posted by antje1777:

I thought RAW is the way it has to be presented to site council?

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot

I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!

you must shoot and submit in JPEG for minimal editing...you can shoot in RAW + JPEG...many people on this site don't shoot in RAW and I think you can submit in TIFF as well??? (but not for this challenge as it is Minimal Editing)

Message edited by author 2011-07-21 13:07:04.

antje1777

07/21/2011 01:23:48 PM · #34

Wow...I did not know that! Thank you so much for sharing! I would have been disqualified again!

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by antje1777:
I thought RAW is the way it has to be presented to site council?

For Minimal Editing you cannot shoot RAW. You have to shoot jpg.

07/21/2011 01:58:52 PM · #35

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Originally posted by TheDruid:
To me, a camera that distorts reality to meet some pseudo example of a visual concept defeats the purpose of minmal editting.

In short, take a picture, resize and submit. Let us see what you saw, not what you want us to see.

All other editting types, to me, shold be used to convey what you feel.

i.e. Remove all semblance of art then.

I would certainly not at all say that! Make it artsy as hell, but do so in a manner that would be consistent across any type or model of camera - no frills, just skills!

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/21/2011 02:31:47 PM · #36

"Let us see what you saw, not what you want us to see. "

It was this statement that seemed to bracket out art for me.

07/21/2011 04:38:10 PM · #37

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

"Let us see what you saw, not what you want us to see. "

It was this statement that seemed to bracket out art for me.

And with which I disagree... Show me art baby! Just don't use some toy to get the art look.

I guess a good measure is if you can't do the same thing with a handful of different cameras then you're probably not really in the spirit of the thing.

I guess another way to look at it is this: If the image that is submitted is significantly different from what your sensor "saw" then it's probably not appropriate.

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/21/2011 04:58:29 PM · #38

So no monochrome then and make sure you don't over or under expose....

;-)

And really, if we wanted to capture it as seen, shouldn't we be shooting in HDR.

For me, pretty much all of the fun in taking and viewing pictures is in the overlay of interpretation through artistic-technical choices made by the photographer. Lose the choice, lose the involvement, lose the influence - lose the art.

cutout

Canon EOS-20D

07/21/2011 05:06:21 PM · #39

Originally posted by skewsme:

Take a photograph where patterns grab the viewer's ____________

whoo hoo

hurts?

07/21/2011 05:06:55 PM · #40

Originally posted by paulbtlw:

So, let me try to understand your position. You see no value in the basics, if you can't do everything, then nothing is any good? Clearly you can't mean that!

Message edited by author 2011-07-21 17:07:57.

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/21/2011 05:27:38 PM · #41

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by paulbtlw:
So no monochrome then and make sure you don't over or under expose....

;-)

And really, if we wanted to capture it as seen, shouldn't we be shooting in HDR.

For me, pretty much all of the fun in taking and viewing pictures is in the overlay of interpretation through artistic-technical choices made by the photographer. Lose the choice, lose the involvement, lose the influence - lose the art.

So, let me try to understand your position. You see no value in the basics, if you can't do everything, then nothing is any good? Clearly you can't mean that!

You're right - I don't mean that; I like the odd Minimal Rules challenge but I don't see that Minimal rules means we are obliged to simply portray a representation of the world that is straight up, without any artistic choices. That isn't to say such images can't be good - a good deal of wonderful wildlife shots are best left alone for example.

But to say Minimal = 'show us what you saw' seeks to limit artistic possibilities.

My original question about Art Filters really relates to how they are no different from selecting Monochrome, high contrast, high sharpness, yellow filter, Peripheral Illumination Correction and Highlight Tone Priority on my DSLR. No one would bat an eyelid at those settings yet they modify pixels in exactly the same way as the Olympus Art Filter mode does...

Message edited by author 2011-07-21 17:28:52.

Ja-9

Nikon D750

07/21/2011 05:29:35 PM · #42

Paul, did you get an answer back from SC? Just curious...

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

07/21/2011 05:37:32 PM · #43

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Paul, did you get an answer back from SC? Just curious...

Yes I did - but after I had shot my entry. The answer was very gracious and said that the application of filters after capturing the image was in-camera processing and that would be illegal. I think what counts as 'after' means it remains a grey area so I'll test it. I'll be asking for a volunteer to request my image be validated and we'll see what happens.

HawkinsT

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Olympus 55mm f/1.2 Auto-S G-Zuiko

07/21/2011 05:46:27 PM · #44

Aww, I had an entry all lined up for this, then I realised/remembered as I got ready to upload it that you can't shoot in RAW :<. Don't suppose someone could enlighten me as to the purpose of this rule? Obviously there is one, but it alludes me for the time being. Also does anyone know of an easy way to extract the jpeg preview from a raw file which would make it legal in a minimal editing challenge (I'm assuming the resolution would be acceptable for an 800pixel width image)?

Ja-9

Nikon D750

07/21/2011 06:29:06 PM · #45

Originally posted by HawkinsT:

I think (and I'm sure someone will correct me...at least I hope so) you can do "tweaks" to a RAW file that you can not do with JPEG therefore it keeps the playing field level per say. And if you remember we all asked for more minimal challenges, therefore a different rule set...two times while I was shooting this I had put my camera back to RAW thinking I was done...and guess what...took some great pictures and had to go back to the drawing board again...you would think one time was enough...and here's the kicker...I knew about the JPEG rule...I just forgot that I'd switched my camera back...sigh

07/21/2011 07:35:04 PM · #46

Originally posted by Ja-9:

.... we all asked for more minimal challenges, therefore a different rule set...

Oh yes we did, and I am SOOOO happy we've been seeing more minimal and artistic challenges...

Langdon is listening it would seem. Thanks big L!