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 07/15/2011 12:14:12 AM · #1
Pattern

Pattern II

Pattern III

This one should be interesting... :)
07/15/2011 12:27:11 AM · #2
Also, good time to note that it's minimal editing.
 07/15/2011 01:05:36 AM · #3
Oh yea! I didn't even see that!

I think I will be doing this one... No ideas yea though... :/
 07/15/2011 09:45:56 PM · #4

Take a photograph where patterns grab the viewer's ____________

whoo hoo
 07/17/2011 12:53:49 PM · #5
Originally posted by jamesgoss:
Also, good time to note that it's minimal editing.


Aargh. I took some nice pattern shots this morning, but I forgot that it was minimal editing. The one I like best could use just the slightest bit of straightening and there's a tiny distraction in one corner that is begging to be cropped out. Now, do I try to reshoot and probably have to settle for a straight tidy image that fails to quite capture what I like about this one?
 07/17/2011 01:12:24 PM · #6
Originally posted by jamesgoss:
Also, good time to note that it's minimal editing.


Whoaaaa!!! Thanks! I forgot to look!!
 07/18/2011 03:14:41 AM · #7
In relation to what looks like potentially conflicting information in the Minimal Editing rule set:

"Restrictions apply to ALL edits performed after the image is captured, whether on a computer or with in-camera tools."

"You may:

use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera."

Where does flicking my Olympus PEN into Art mode fit in? It is a fully automatic feature - I have no editing control, but it is being post-processed.....

My reading is that since I make no interventions- I have no editing control after the camera presents me with it's image, then this is OK.

Would others agree?

Or do you think that flicking it into Art mode and choosing the filter is an editing act? It happens after the image is captured but before the camera presents anything to the photographer.

I'll send a ticket in too but thought it might be useful to ask the question publicly.

Thanks

Paul

Message edited by author 2011-07-18 03:17:00.
 07/18/2011 03:22:35 AM · #8
I think the rules of Minimal need to be updated to the current technology. My P&S has quite a few modes that involve in-camera PP.
 07/18/2011 03:27:46 AM · #9
That is a good point Paul - My LX5 has various features available in-camera, if I stuck it in say 'pinhole mode' would that be allowed I wonder?
Though I guess it goes against the spirit of minimal editing in reality 'I' would not be carrying out any editing as such. Confusing !

07/18/2011 03:34:39 AM · #10
I might be wrong but I thought as long as you don't touch the photo after it's taken anything is allowed.
 07/18/2011 03:55:00 AM · #11
Originally posted by paulbtlw:

I'll send a ticket in too but thought it might be useful to ask the question publicly.

Thanks

Paul

Great point Paul, and I hope you let us know the outcome! I have the same camera and would also like to use it if I can.
 07/18/2011 10:19:38 AM · #12
I was pondering on the way to work this morning and actually I can't see any difference between what the Art Filters do on an Olympus and what Peripheral Illumination Correction does on my 5D MKII - they both modify the pixels of the image before showing them to the photographer....
 07/18/2011 10:48:29 AM · #13
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
I was pondering on the way to work this morning and actually I can't see any difference between what the Art Filters do on an Olympus and what Peripheral Illumination Correction does on my 5D MKII - they both modify the pixels of the image before showing them to the photographer....


I agree that it the action should be within the Minimal Editing rules. However, it does seem the spirit of minimal/straight out of the camera editing is getting a little lost. I agree with Sevlow that it may be time to re-evaluate the rules for this class of editing.
 07/18/2011 03:39:00 PM · #14
I think it becomes a "spirit of the rules" thing... The idea is to take a very no-frills photograph and make it great. Emphasis should be placed on technique not tools. :)
 07/18/2011 03:42:37 PM · #15
Originally posted by Cory:
Emphasis should be placed on technique not tools. :)

Eh? To me a technique is a way of using tools. Isn't a camera a tool as well?
 07/18/2011 03:46:39 PM · #16
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by Cory:
Emphasis should be placed on technique not tools. :)

Eh? To me a technique is a way of using tools. Isn't a camera a tool as well?


In a minimal editing challenge the camera should become the least important tool. (IMHO)

ETA: Just to clarify - nothing wrong with careful lighting, or reflectors, or great lenses, etc, etc. Tools are fine, but it's about the image, I've kinda always looked at these challenges as being a no-processing challenge, and filters as described would fall under processing as far as I can see.. That's the sort of tools I'm talking about. When it comes to the camera, sure it's a tool, but the tools should just be a part of the larger equation that creates an image.

And yes, I'm sure someone will be glad to argue that the "larger equation" includes Photoshop - yes, yes it does generally include some soft of post processing work, but the whole purpose of these challenges is to emphasize the basics. *shrug*

Message edited by author 2011-07-18 16:01:50.
 07/18/2011 03:48:47 PM · #17
And if I mounted a couple of Cokin filters on the front of the lens, that would be OK?
 07/18/2011 03:51:18 PM · #18
What about only disposable cameras with no features at all allowed? Pinholes? :)
 07/18/2011 03:55:16 PM · #19
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
And if I mounted a couple of Cokin filters on the front of the lens, that would be OK?


I would think it is, largely because it is more about the technique that those filters are being used for, otherwise you're just shooting through extra glass..
 07/18/2011 03:58:31 PM · #20
Originally posted by MargaretN:
What about only disposable cameras with no features at all allowed? Pinholes? :)


If you can find one that records EXIF, it's a very high honor, entering with such a minimalist tool. :) If you can enter with something like that and end up in the top 20% then you should view it as an amazing success!
 07/18/2011 04:03:09 PM · #21
And just to be clear, I won't say anything nasty about you if you win with an art filtered image.. :) For now it would seem to be perfectly legal.
 07/20/2011 06:27:27 PM · #22
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot
 07/20/2011 06:47:11 PM · #23
I had a Minimal shot but it had minimal appeal so I unsubmitted it. What happened to Expert editing??
 07/20/2011 10:25:48 PM · #24
Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot


I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!
 07/20/2011 10:28:21 PM · #25
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Originally posted by FourPointX:
MINIMAL? EUWIFBVQWOVCCAJKAAX

out to reshoot


I took one tonight too and thought it was not too bad.... then I remembered I shot in RAW. Don't forget to shoot in jpeg!


have you forgotten who only has a point and shoot :)
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