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06/19/2011 08:32:27 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by SEG:
You would never know if someone is just using this as a free study for a completely new picture. Who's going to sit there and check to see the previous entry that matched it. There are tons of images saved on this site and a DNMC is not grounds for a DQ is it? |
Right ... so why not reserve your ire for anyone who actually does this, when you can check up on folks, rather than anticipating (or perhaps encouraging) widespread dishonesty?
I plan to use the same title as the original (if I can ever pick one), so it will be easy to compare. |
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06/19/2011 08:49:38 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by SEG:
Who's going to sit there and check to see the previous entry that matched it. |
Besides, how is one to know which of the multitude of photos is the one being remade. In my case it is to be a different view of the same subject and the earlier title won't work anymore.
It's just a case where you have to assume the photog is taking the challenge theme to heart and not cheating treating it a freestudy.
Message edited by author 2011-06-19 20:52:06.
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06/19/2011 09:24:45 PM · #28 |
| In case others didn't notice, there is an extra rule that this must be a new photo of one of your old entries. Thus, cheating the system is actually grounds for a DQ! |
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06/19/2011 10:05:43 PM · #29 |
| I sort of assumed that in the notes of the new entry we are to include the old entry that we are emulating. No? And the title should be Old Title II? |
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06/19/2011 10:12:41 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
And the title should be Old Title II? |
It does not say that.
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06/19/2011 10:41:18 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by giantmike:
In case others didn't notice, there is an extra rule that this must be a new photo of one of your old entries. Thus, cheating the system is actually grounds for a DQ! |
I did notice that. Hopefully this is true and the top entries are rated based on if they are "re-shoots" of the originals. |
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06/19/2011 10:42:43 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by SEG:
You would never know if someone is just using this as a free study for a completely new picture. Who's going to sit there and check to see the previous entry that matched it. There are tons of images saved on this site and a DNMC is not grounds for a DQ is it? |
Right ... so why not reserve your ire for anyone who actually does this, when you can check up on folks, rather than anticipating (or perhaps encouraging) widespread dishonesty?
I plan to use the same title as the original (if I can ever pick one), so it will be easy to compare. |
So by your thoughts then we would know who owns the entry, thus create an unfair advantage/disadvantage. |
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06/20/2011 09:27:34 AM · #33 |
| Based on the many recent discussions I am going to treat this as a free study. The voters won't know upfront whether the photo is a retake hence will vote as if it were a free study. From what has been said I understand that not meeting the challenge description is not sufficient grounds for a DQ. |
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06/20/2011 09:45:01 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by SEG:
Originally posted by giantmike:
In case others didn't notice, there is an extra rule that this must be a new photo of one of your old entries. Thus, cheating the system is actually grounds for a DQ! |
I did notice that. Hopefully this is true and the top entries are rated based on if they are "re-shoots" of the originals. |
One question for all:
My DQ ed image was in Basic editing, and was disqualified because I forgot this little detail. The Take 2 is Advanced editing. Here starts my dilemma; I can just re-shoot same image and take advantage of the advanced editing. In this case the voting will be a bit different in case some voters recognize the image. I am a bit unassuming always and do not think that my images stay with the voters, but I see constantly that some of you have a tremendous memory. |
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06/20/2011 09:47:21 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Originally posted by SEG:
Originally posted by giantmike:
In case others didn't notice, there is an extra rule that this must be a new photo of one of your old entries. Thus, cheating the system is actually grounds for a DQ! |
I did notice that. Hopefully this is true and the top entries are rated based on if they are "re-shoots" of the originals. |
One question for all:
My DQ ed image was in Basic editing, and was disqualified because I forgot this little detail. The Take 2 is Advanced editing. Here starts my dilemma; I can just re-shoot same image and take advantage of the advanced editing. In this case the voting will be a bit different in case some voters recognize the image. I am a bit unassuming always and do not think that my images stay with the voters, but I see constantly that some of you have a tremendous memory. |
I see no problem with people recognizing the entry. Some challenges almost seem to be meant for that (signature style, for instance). This is specifically about redoing an image -- there's a good chance that we'll recognize a number of them. |
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06/20/2011 12:55:42 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
From what has been said I understand that not meeting the challenge description is not sufficient grounds for a DQ. |
That's true, but as was mentioned earlier, the requirement that the image be a re-shoot of an earlier entry is an extra rule, not part of the challenge description, and thus violation of this provision is grounds for DQ. |
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06/20/2011 01:14:07 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
From what has been said I understand that not meeting the challenge description is not sufficient grounds for a DQ. |
That's true, but as was mentioned earlier, the requirement that the image be a re-shoot of an earlier entry is an extra rule, not part of the challenge description, and thus violation of this provision is grounds for DQ. |
This should have been your first post in response to mine. |
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06/20/2011 01:21:39 PM · #38 |
I wanted to redo a challenge that required a portrait which I failed to get, it was portraitish but not portrait (dumb, I know). Now, if I improve on that challenge I will be doing something that will be a portrait unlike the first time. Without the same model (it was candid) I seem to be doing something extremely different. Grounds for dq?
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06/20/2011 01:52:56 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by SEG:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
From what has been said I understand that not meeting the challenge description is not sufficient grounds for a DQ. |
That's true, but as was mentioned earlier, the requirement that the image be a re-shoot of an earlier entry is an extra rule, not part of the challenge description, and thus violation of this provision is grounds for DQ. |
This should have been your first post in response to mine. |
It's because of situations like this which I didn't ... there are two kinds of DNMC involved here, one of whether the "Topic" of the challenge is clearly repeated (i.e. "Portrait"), and one of exactly how closely the specific subject matter must match the previous entry -- must it be the same model? Same gender? Same pose/clothing? What if the "advice" you're following said "next time try shooting a guy"? If you're shooting as landscape does it have to be the same mountain? Same season? What if there are no clouds this time?
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
I wanted to redo a challenge that required a portrait which I failed to get, it was portraitish but not portrait (dumb, I know). Now, if I improve on that challenge I will be doing something that will be a portrait unlike the first time. Without the same model (it was candid) I seem to be doing something extremely different. Grounds for dq? |
As always, I encourage a liberal interpretation. If the challenge was "Candid" any photo appearing to be a candid should be good enough -- seeking out the same stranger, or even location seems too picky to me. However, this is an area which will require subjective judgement, and it is quite possible that a majority of SC could disagree with me on any particular picture.
If I myself were to enter this based on a previous entry to a "Portrait" challenge, I would try to shoot someone of the same gender, in approximately the same dress as the original (unless the "advice" was to change that!); I don't think it has to be the same person. But I could be wrong ... |
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