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 07/17/2004 08:40:02 AM · #1
As it comes out of the camera challenge. Make people think about the correct light and frame.

Bob
 07/17/2004 08:41:26 AM · #2
What about cameras that cannot shoot at 640x480/640x427 natively, or cameras that shoot in a format other than .jpg?

-Terry
 07/17/2004 09:00:46 AM · #3
Originally posted by Gurilla:
As it comes out of the camera challenge. Make people think about the correct light and frame.

Bob


I like this idea very very much. I at one time was thinking of something like this also. In responce to ClubJuggle, I think that resizing and format conversion should be allowed.

Tom
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 07/17/2004 09:24:22 AM · #4
In responce to ClubJuggle, I think that resizing and format conversion should be allowed. Yeah these would have to be allowed.

But no changes to the actual image itself. No contrast, brightness, lighting, saturation, burn, blur, sharpen etc etc ajustments..

Just an idea to toss around! Its pretty hard to come up with new ideas.

Bob
 07/17/2004 09:27:48 AM · #5
No cropping or Photoshop polish.... good idea I think just as a 'One off'. of cause resizing and format conversion has to be allowed but no actual edit that will change the picture then, as stated, it will give the photographer more to think about just like in the old days.... hehehehe I'm showing my age.
 07/17/2004 09:29:35 AM · #6
I would like to see that myself. Tired of seeing over-burned/over-dodged picture. Only rules, cropping and resizing.
 07/17/2004 09:34:25 AM · #7
Originally posted by Gurilla:
In responce to ClubJuggle, I think that resizing and format conversion should be allowed. Yeah these would have to be allowed.

But no changes to the actual image itself. No contrast, brightness, lighting, saturation, burn, blur, sharpen etc etc ajustments..

Just an idea to toss around! Its pretty hard to come up with new ideas.

Bob


For those of us who shoot in RAW, this is confusing. When shooting in jpeg mode, your camera captures the raw image, applies white balance, saturation adjustments (according to your camera settings), sharpening (again, according to your camera settings), etc. When shooting in RAW all of this is done after the fact as part of the RAW conversion process.

-Terry
 07/17/2004 09:35:34 AM · #8
I too think this would make an excellent challenge as producing as good a pic as possible straight from the camera is surely something we should be striving towards as photographers and something I would have thought this site, (given the attitude towards photoshopping and the popularity of free studies)would endorse heartily.

07/17/2004 09:38:21 AM · #9
kinda like This challenge??
 07/17/2004 09:42:27 AM · #10
No way... we've done this before and there are very good reasons why my pictures need PS work before they're ready... minimum sharpness and minimum contrast is what every photographer should use with their digital cameras. The last time we had a no-edit challenge, I had to change these settings to get a better shot straight out of the camera, and now I'm stuck with photos I really liked with terrible sharpening, too much contrast which means there's highlight and shadow detail I won't recover, and some shots in black and white where I can never recreate them in colour.
I won't be happy if there is another no-edit challenge, and I probably won't take part.
 07/17/2004 09:43:30 AM · #11
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gurilla:
In responce to ClubJuggle, I think that resizing and format conversion should be allowed. Yeah these would have to be allowed.

But no changes to the actual image itself. No contrast, brightness, lighting, saturation, burn, blur, sharpen etc etc ajustments..

Just an idea to toss around! Its pretty hard to come up with new ideas.

Bob


For those of us who shoot in RAW, this is confusing. When shooting in jpeg mode, your camera captures the raw image, applies white balance, saturation adjustments (according to your camera settings), sharpening (again, according to your camera settings), etc. When shooting in RAW all of this is done after the fact as part of the RAW conversion process.

-Terry

Correct me if I am wrong but when you shoot in RAW mode is it not true that the camera also captures a JPEG of the same shot? I know my Sony did that never tried the Nikon in RAW yet so I could be sooooo wrong.
 07/17/2004 09:45:10 AM · #12
Originally posted by alionic:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gurilla:
In responce to ClubJuggle, I think that resizing and format conversion should be allowed. Yeah these would have to be allowed.

But no changes to the actual image itself. No contrast, brightness, lighting, saturation, burn, blur, sharpen etc etc ajustments..

Just an idea to toss around! Its pretty hard to come up with new ideas.

Bob


For those of us who shoot in RAW, this is confusing. When shooting in jpeg mode, your camera captures the raw image, applies white balance, saturation adjustments (according to your camera settings), sharpening (again, according to your camera settings), etc. When shooting in RAW all of this is done after the fact as part of the RAW conversion process.

-Terry

Correct me if I am wrong but when you shoot in RAW mode is it not true that the camera also captures a JPEG of the same shot? I know my Sony did that never tried the Nikon in RAW yet so I could be sooooo wrong.


the 10D does not capture a JPG with the RAW file
 07/17/2004 09:49:34 AM · #13
Im glad to see people interested on this kind of challenge. I dont think shooting in RAW is a problem I think is ok as long the file is opened & saved withouth modifications. Im have some problems with the rezise thing, my pics dont look the same after I rezise them. I have try using he Save for the web key a choosing the high qualitity but still. But I defenly want to see a challenge with some natural shoots on it. Just to evaluate people skills.
 07/17/2004 09:52:03 AM · #14
Editing and saving without modification is not a viable option in RAW conversion. Part of the process is choosing settings. Are you saying those of us who shoot in RAW can't even white-balance?

-Terry
 07/17/2004 09:53:10 AM · #15
I have just started using RAW and mine does not capture a second image in jpg. BUT I found that my software does not like it and I then have to change it to Tiff it looks very different when convere=ted as well.

I didn't realise that a capture in jpg Vs Raw made such a difference as in auto editing.

Bob
 07/17/2004 10:06:54 AM · #16
Hi Clubjuggle,
what about just shooting on jpge? is the most stanard file arround here. When I shoot in raw sometimes I dont have to change the white balance of my shoot. is that what your saying? I usually set that before I shoot, you know dependinfg on the conditions. In response to the file duplication I notice when Im shooting on RAW wich is always and my card is getting full the llast few shoots are Jpg. I guess is because of the space that is the only thing I notice.
 07/17/2004 10:15:35 AM · #17
Many who shoot professionally (in whole or in part) shoot in raw for various reasons. First, it allows more flexibility, faster shooting, and more room for error as you do not need to stop to adjust camera settings (except ISO, aperture and shutter speed), since most settings are applied after the fact. Second, and important photographers selling digital images, it makes it easier to prove ownership, as the RAW file is basically the negative.

-Terry
 07/17/2004 10:25:21 AM · #18
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Many who shoot professionally (in whole or in part) shoot in raw for various reasons. First, it allows more flexibility, faster shooting, and more room for error as you do not need to stop to adjust camera settings (except ISO, aperture and shutter speed), since most settings are applied after the fact. Second, and important photographers selling digital images, it makes it easier to prove ownership, as the RAW file is basically the negative.

-Terry


Terry, those are all valid points that I agree with (I am a big fan of shooting in RAW), except for one - I am not sure how shooting RAW is faster than shooting in JPG. I know in my case it takes approximately three times as long to write RAW images to the CF card, so if I do any type of sports shooting with multiple shots in rapid succession, shooting in RAW can slow me down while the buffer gets dumped to the card.

Did you mean it was faster in some other way, or is there something I missed?

07/17/2004 10:26:15 AM · #19
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Originally posted by alionic:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gurilla:
In responce to ClubJuggle, I think that resizing and format conversion should be allowed. Yeah these would have to be allowed.

But no changes to the actual image itself. No contrast, brightness, lighting, saturation, burn, blur, sharpen etc etc ajustments..

Just an idea to toss around! Its pretty hard to come up with new ideas.

Bob


For those of us who shoot in RAW, this is confusing. When shooting in jpeg mode, your camera captures the raw image, applies white balance, saturation adjustments (according to your camera settings), sharpening (again, according to your camera settings), etc. When shooting in RAW all of this is done after the fact as part of the RAW conversion process.

-Terry

Correct me if I am wrong but when you shoot in RAW mode is it not true that the camera also captures a JPEG of the same shot? I know my Sony did that never tried the Nikon in RAW yet so I could be sooooo wrong.


the 10D does not capture a JPG with the RAW file


I am a Nikon user but I have friends that have the 10D. I am pretty sure there is an option on the 10D where you CAN capture a JPG with the RAW

Message edited by author 2004-07-17 10:37:28.
 07/17/2004 10:29:12 AM · #20
Originally posted by Nazgul:
the 10D does not capture a JPG with the RAW file

Not true; the 10D always embeds a JPEG into the .CRW file; there is actually no way to not store this JPEG when shooting RAW. When I had my 10D, I made sure custom function 8 was set to 0 to make sure the embedded JPEG was set to the smallest size and highest compression level to maximize the number of raw images I could fit on my CF cards.

The embedded JPEG can be extracted very quickly using Canon's File Viewer Utility or a program like BreezeBrowser.

Message edited by author 2004-07-17 10:38:31.
 07/17/2004 10:33:45 AM · #21
The above is true. I only shoot raw and make sure I store no JPG to maintain a higher shooting count.
 07/17/2004 10:34:21 AM · #22
Originally posted by richterrell:
l valid points that I agree with (I am a big fan of shooting in RAW), except for one - I am not sure how shooting RAW is faster than shooting in JPG. I know in my case it takes approximately three times as long to write RAW images to the CF card, so if I do any type of sports shooting with multiple shots in rapid succession, shooting in RAW can slow me down while the buffer gets dumped to the card.

Did you mean it was faster in some other way, or is there something I missed?


I meant that you spend less time adjusting settings. I was not referring to buffer write time.

-Terry
 07/17/2004 10:34:40 AM · #23
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Editing and saving without modification is not a viable option in RAW conversion. Part of the process is choosing settings.

I'd also disagree with this. Every raw photo has "As Shot" settings, which the raw converter uses as its default for that image. It isn't like you download the raw images and then have to go through and set a white-balance for every shot. There is already a white-balance associated with it from the camera "As Shot", and that is what is used as the baseline when the image is first displayed.

So a raw image in a "from the camera" challenge would just have to be developed "As Shot", without making any adjustments during the conversion to JPEG from raw.
 07/17/2004 10:37:22 AM · #24
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The above is true. I only shoot raw and make sure I store no JPG to maintain a higher shooting count.

Trust me, you have a JPEG embedded inside your .CRW file. See Custom Function C.Fn 08, there is no option to select "None".

See this page, undef C.Fn 08 for reference:

There's good news and bad news about shooting RAW files with the 10D. The good news is that you can select the size and compression of the embedded JPEG file. The bad news is that you can't shoot RAW only, and you have to use some sort of software such as File Viewer Utility to extract the JPEG file.

(emphasis mine)

Message edited by author 2004-07-17 10:39:33.
 07/17/2004 10:45:46 AM · #25
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Editing and saving without modification is not a viable option in RAW conversion. Part of the process is choosing settings.

I'd also disagree with this. Every raw photo has "As Shot" settings, which the raw converter uses as its default for that image. It isn't like you download the raw images and then have to go through and set a white-balance for every shot. There is already a white-balance associated with it from the camera "As Shot", and that is what is used as the baseline when the image is first displayed.

So a raw image in a "from the camera" challenge would just have to be developed "As Shot", without making any adjustments during the conversion to JPEG from raw.


That's what I was trying to say...but you did better. Actually sounds good for the challenge's name, (As shot).
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