Legalize gay marriage, prostitution, polygamy?

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05/18/2011 07:04:11 PM · #126

Originally posted by Socom:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
You'd have to look them up yourself Ray. In my exploration of some of the studies (Vanwesenbeeck, for example), there is a gradation and street prostitutes naturally have the highest risk, but it isn't a gradation that goes to zero if you just get into a good whorehouse, it remains high and unacceptably so.

Don't trust me though, if you want to know, nose around Google Scholar for yourself.

I would be interested in those same statistics for Nevada if there are any. Since that is a little closer to home for most of us. To make the comparison to other countries you would also have to break down other crimes in those same areas to see how it all adds up.

I saw quoted that Nevada has one of the highest rape rates among "tourist towns" (whatever that means).

The citation:
Nevadaâ��s rate of rape per 1,000 population was .57 in 1997, while the overall U.S. rate
was .36. Nevadaâ��s two largest metropolitan areas, Reno and LasVegas, ranked far ahead in
rapes than other popular U.S. tourist destinations, including Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Reno and LasVegas are adjacent to 2 of the 13 Nevada counties where prostitution is
legalized (Albert, 2001, pp. 182-183, citing Nevada Crime Statistics).

Message edited by author 2011-05-18 19:07:01.

dmadden

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05/18/2011 07:09:45 PM · #127

Since we've gone into studies and the validity of such. Here's a study.

dmadden

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05/18/2011 07:10:08 PM · #128

LOL

Art Roflmao

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05/18/2011 10:12:57 PM · #129

How'd I miss this little gem of a thread? Why was marijuana not included in the topic?? I would like to party with my six gay wives.

tnun

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05/18/2011 11:27:21 PM · #130

What about mistresses? What about gigolos?

fotomann_forever

05/18/2011 11:47:15 PM · #131

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

How'd I miss this little gem of a thread? Why was marijuana not included in the topic?? I would like to party with my six gay wives.

So, your six gay wives have to get high to party? Can I get numbers?

yanko

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05/19/2011 12:14:01 AM · #132

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
How'd I miss this little gem of a thread? Why was marijuana not included in the topic?? I would like to party with my six gay wives.

So, your six gay wives have to get high to party? Can I get numbers?

I doubt the line, I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body is going to work with those women. You're better off trying Kelli again.

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05/19/2011 12:14:23 AM · #133

Are u getting ur gamy confused w ur gyny?

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

In a generation, if there's polygamy in Asia it will very likely be one wife to multiple husbands. Gender selective abortions have caused quite an imbalance of the male:female ratio.

I guess that's not technically polygamy. Is it polyandry?

fotomann_forever

05/19/2011 12:23:15 AM · #134

While we're on the topic.... when is the GKG challenge ever gonna happen?

05/19/2011 03:23:06 PM · #135

Well, nothing is more entertaining than when

DrAchoo leaps upon his high horse and charges into the fray...;-)

(I'm so happy I'm a nun!)

Sometimes, when I read about these topics, I cannot decide which is more dangerous...the topics themselves or rather people's reactions to them.

05/19/2011 04:23:18 PM · #136

What even is a high horse? I've probably got more of a loud horse. ;)

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05/19/2011 04:29:42 PM · #137

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

What even is a high horse? I've probably got more of a loud horse. ;)

Oh...I didn't mean to imply that your horse was sneaking marijuana into his hay...I just meant your horse is more entertaining than most...;-D

(I should probably escape from this thread while I still can...)

Kelli

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05/19/2011 04:43:39 PM · #138

Well, I think they should legalize marijuana for horses too. ;P

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05/19/2011 04:54:07 PM · #139

In Oregon all the horse needs is a medical marijuana card. It's made of cardboard and could probably be concocted from a cereal box quite easily. Oregon has 46,000 medical marijuana cards, but we can't put fluoride in the water (heaven forbid!)...

yanko

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05/19/2011 05:18:09 PM · #140

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Is the state preventing you from treating your own private water supply?

Message edited by author 2011-05-19 17:18:44.

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05/19/2011 05:37:11 PM · #141

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

You know my horse lives in Oregon...I'll let her know you'll be stopping by with her card...;-P

Oh...if the cereal box has a box top...would you please mail it to me...thanks!

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05/19/2011 05:51:05 PM · #142

*pinching nose and jumping in*

Uhmm about the prostitution thing...should it not be noted that prostitution tends to render its practitioners into basically disposable life forms?! It seems to be considered acceptable to treat people who sell their bodies like trash, because they have no respect for themselves, as they are selling their most private parts, whether it is on a street corner or under the so-called 'high class' realm of prostitute, the escort. Read virtually any book on major serial killers, and guess what, most of them cut their teeth on or focused exclusively on prostitutes. Ted Bundy, Robert Pickton, the Green River Killer...there are hundreds of them out there who made a career of killing women who are seen as disposable.

So would legalizing prostitution give sex workers higher social status? Seeing that they are still making their money by selling access to their bodies? The only thing that would separate them from their illegal counterparts might only be better health care and a more upscale corner to work from.

*ducking*

05/19/2011 06:04:50 PM · #143

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
In Oregon all the horse needs is a medical marijuana card. It's made of cardboard and could probably be concocted from a cereal box quite easily. Oregon has 46,000 medical marijuana cards, but we can't put fluoride in the water (heaven forbid!)...

Is the state preventing you from treating your own private water supply?

Of course not, but you'd figure that since the CDC called water flurodation one of the "ten greatest public health achievements of the 20th century." it would be a bit of a no-brainer. But Oregon has this crazy libertarian streak where the government is feared and suspected about anything. Since they would be in charge of putting the fluoride in the water, it MUST be bad! But gimme that medical marijuana! It just seems a bit of a non-sequitur in my view. Eugene is a weird place.

It's also an economics thing. We head to the pharmacy every month to get fluroide pills for the kids. I think it's about $6/month for both of them. Not expensive, but wiki says fluoridation in the water supply costs $0.95 per person per year. ~~Six~~ 36 times as efficient. When you multiply that by a million people, you see you've wasted a lot of money.

EDIT: I just realized I did my math wrong. The yearly cost for the pills is about $36...

Message edited by author 2011-05-19 18:59:44.

05/19/2011 06:11:33 PM · #144

Originally posted by snaffles:

In an example of this bias, a California judge overturned a juryâ��s decision to charge a customer with rape, saying â��a woman who goes out on the street and makes a whore out of herself opens herself up to anybodyâ�� (Arax, M. (1986, April 24). Judge says law doesnâ��t protect prostitutes, drops rape count. Los Angeles Times, pp. 1-2.)

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05/19/2011 06:16:27 PM · #145

Love Conquers All

yanko

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05/19/2011 06:41:47 PM · #146

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
In Oregon all the horse needs is a medical marijuana card. It's made of cardboard and could probably be concocted from a cereal box quite easily. Oregon has 46,000 medical marijuana cards, but we can't put fluoride in the water (heaven forbid!)...

Is the state preventing you from treating your own private water supply?

Of course not, but you'd figure that since the CDC called water flurodation one of the "ten greatest public health achievements of the 20th century." it would be a bit of a no-brainer. But Oregon has this crazy libertarian streak where the government is feared and suspected about anything. Since they would be in charge of putting the fluoride in the water, it MUST be bad! But gimme that medical marijuana! It just seems a bit of a non-sequitur in my view. Eugene is a weird place.

It's also an economics thing. We head to the pharmacy every month to get fluroide pills for the kids. I think it's about $6/month for both of them. Not expensive, but wiki says fluoridation in the water supply costs $0.95 per person per year. Six times as efficient. When you multiply that by a million people, you see you've wasted a lot of money.

I looked up the CDC list and pretty much everything on it has had strong opposition at one point or another. Meanwhile I hear Apple is coming out with a new gadget, iLobotomy. People will be lining up around the block just to get one.

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05/19/2011 07:15:37 PM · #147

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by snaffles:
*pinching nose and jumping in*

Uhmm about the prostitution thing...should it not be noted that prostitution tends to render its practitioners into basically disposable life forms?! It seems to be considered acceptable to treat people who sell their bodies like trash, because they have no respect for themselves, as they are selling their most private parts, whether it is on a street corner or under the so-called 'high class' realm of prostitute, the escort. Read virtually any book on major serial killers, and guess what, most of them cut their teeth on or focused exclusively on prostitutes. Ted Bundy, Robert Pickton, the Green River Killer...there are hundreds of them out there who made a career of killing women who are seen as disposable.

So would legalizing prostitution give sex workers higher social status? Seeing that they are still making their money by selling access to their bodies? The only thing that would separate them from their illegal counterparts might only be better health care and a more upscale corner to work from.

*ducking*

In an example of this bias, a California judge overturned a juryâ��s decision to charge a customer with rape, saying â��a woman who goes out on the street and makes a whore out of herself opens herself up to anybodyâ�� (Arax, M. (1986, April 24). Judge says law doesnâ��t protect prostitutes, drops rape count. Los Angeles Times, pp. 1-2.)

Sadly, I am not at all surprised. I have worked with street people in the downtown Eastside of Vancouver, which is the very poorest neighbourhood in all of Canada - and at one point even had a roommate who had worked as a prostitute. No prostitute I ever met expressed any enthusiasm or love for the job; just the opposite. For the most part, they saw it simply as a means to an end. Many of them disassociated themselves from what they were doing and to whom they were doing it. Let's face it, most guys who solicit prostitutes are definitely not Richard Gere, and very very few prostitutes are Julia Roberts.

The roommate btw was lesbian, and many of her wholly lesbian friends still worked in the sex trade. They serviced men not from desire, but necessity. Many of the ones I met expressed plain hatred for men. They hated men, they hated what they did, but did what they had to do in order to survive.

Overall a very sad situation. I admired those that did leave the sex trade and drug habits behind, but I would not be at all surprised to learn that some of the girls I knew ended up being fed - yes, fed - to pigs on Pickton's farm.

And as for gay marriage? Hell why not. Two people love each other and want a life together, let them have it. As for polygamy? If some guy is really financially able to support multiple wives, progeny etc...go nuts.

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05/19/2011 07:43:02 PM · #148

An incredible majority of sex workers are in favor of decriminalization and legalization. These surely has to mean something.

Prostitution is going to happen anyway. Making it a crime has certainly never effected the trade, much like the criminalization of drugs or alcohol. Having weighed the pros and cons of a legalized system, I am for legalization as I believe it can only make it safer for everyone involved. I am pro legalization of drugs too though. Anytime you create a black market for a desirable product crime goes hand in hand. If Apple products were banned tomorrow I bet there would be some sketchy trade going on extremely quickly...