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07/17/2004 01:45:36 PM · #76 |
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07/17/2004 02:02:56 PM · #77 |
Get ready for your in-body CHIP implants....
Instant Eye - Iris scans....
Oh yeah, soon enough -- you can be judge for a crime that you are ABOUT to commit but haven't :) sounds like a movie eh? it's happening sooner than you think.
Despite what a tragedy 9/11 was, i don't think that 3000 people is enough to lose my freedom over. Didn't we lose a lot more in WWII to protect our freedom??
Oh don't get me wrong -- i think if Clinton was in office, the same thing would happen except that he'd also gone after gun owners as well. It's not a Democrat/Republican thing, it's a general population in this country with its paranoia about everything around it. I don't mean it as if Americans are paranoid about losing freedom -- we were in 1776, but not now. Now people care about their barbecues, football games, etc. It's not like we have lost our freedom in the last 2 years, we have lost it since WWII -- starting with the 1960's gun control laws.
So, don't be surprised when they require registration of every new born baby and id chips to be implanted and iris scan to be done at airports and they'll keep your irises too. Then it's automatically extended to railroads, public buildings, then private buildings. I wonder, how much would it take for people in this country TODAY to realize it and to stop it before it's all too late? My bet? We'll lose all the freedom this country holds dear and become a pseudo fascist state in 20 years.
But, maybe I am just paranoid. |
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07/17/2004 02:20:47 PM · #78 |
There have been some stupid answers from morons on this forum (and other photography forums), so i am gonig to put it straight up :)
1. You do not have to let your vehicle to be searched if the officer ask for it. Refusing is not equivalent to having probable cause. Put it this way -- if they have the right to search it, they would tell you to get the f--k out of the car and then lock u into their vehicle. If they ask you, they don't have probable cause. Refusing to get your vehicle searched is not grounds for probable cause. They'll probably threaten you with getting awarrant anway. Well, LET them get the warrant. They can search within the car, but not in the trunk (i.e. they can use "well, i have to make sure you're not armed" tactic to search inside the vehicle, but not in the trunk because that's not accessible to you).
2. If a cop stops you for traffic violation, then he has probable cause to ask for an ID. I don't think stopping you for standing in a PUBLIC place and taking photographs would be grounds for an ID check. At least not before they put that into the law again.
3. You have the right to not answer any question they ask you. If they ask you what were you doing tehre, you can tell them to f--k themselves. Seriously -- 5th amendment rights at work.
The problem is that people are so wimpy about the authorities that they just submit to it.
Put it this way, at a traffic stop 2 years ago, an Austin cop starts to be a real jerk when I told hiim that iw asn't speeding (BTW< he didn't clock me with a radar either, wonder how he thinks iw as speeding). Then he ran the check on my license and noticed that I have a conceal handgun permit. Then he went ballastic and demanded that i show him my conceal handgun permit -- i told him that the state law only requires that i show him the permit IF I was carrying, which i wasn't. And then i said "OK, i know what you're going to ask next -- you're goingn to ask to search my car. I'll give you the permission to do so, but if you don't find my gun in my car, i'll file a civil lawsuit against you and your department and file a complaint against you with internal affaris, not to mention i'll also get a lawyer from teh NRA involved." (there was already a precedent case about a guy in Texas being harassed by police for having a conceal handgun permit and he won). Guess what he did? He immediately shuts up and was real polite from that point forward and started to call me "sir". Before that he was treating me like some punk kid, he was a real jerk.
Every time I see poeple being pulled over in Texas highway and having their suitcases opened up, i just shake my heads. 99.9% of the time it was the person giving permission to search the car. If they had permission, they wouldn't ask you for it.
Now back to Photography :-)
Taking a photograph is protected by the first amendment. Why should it be any different than any other artistic action? If they start questioning about why do we need to take a photo of this and that, they'll start to question why do we need to criticize this or that. What's next? Mandatory vacation at Guantanamo for photographers?
The problem is, people are too wussy to stand up against authorities, especially in this country, strangely enough. Maybe because cops in this country can be brutal thugs against minorities, i don't know, but it seems that's the case here. if you don't stand up to them, guess what, eventually you'll lose all the freedom you like. This is why despite that I think Michael Moore is a big fat idiot white man (the movie coming out against him :)), i still respect him for what he does :) because he does question authorities (albeit without decent facts), and that is the best protection against tyranny.
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07/17/2004 09:05:14 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Jeez, police asking me questions. What freedoms are they going to take away from us next. I feel like I'm living in communist russia... |
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Comrade...we are already living in an atomosphere like communist Russia. There's Carnivore, Echelon, Total Information Awareness, CoIntell Pro, etc... Big Brother is here and he's watching everybody. Been that way for a long long time. I agree with the statement above about fascism coming here. It's going to be a totalitarian/police state in the US. Most freedoms will be lost. I'm not as concerned about the terrorists as I am about our political and business leaders. You see, there's a new kind of citizen on "the block" that has usurped the power of the people and communities...The Corporations. New in the sense that the government now exists to defend and uphold the rights and freedoms of big business...the multinational corporations, at the expense of the rights of the people. They support and help get elected the politicians we have now...whether Clinton or Bush and these politicians are beholden to their financial sponsors, and not to the body electorate...not to the everyday man/woman/child. Their rhetoric states they are, but they aren't. Sobering, I know.
This is what globalization is all about and this is what the real issues are today. It's about the dissolution of national boundaries so that the multinationals can get at the natural resources (both the raw and labor resources) that a country has to offer, for little in return. The end result of globalization is not access to more products for the people's of the world, but rather, about rape and pillage of resources, as well as, totalitarian control for the rich elite. It's about the few controlling the masses...about monopolies and oligopolies.
My opinion is that terrorism grew out of the desperate need of third world people, who have already lost most of their rights and ways of life to who they view as the invaders of their countries, as a way of fighting back against overwhelming odds against the massive fire power and control by the first world, petroleum thristy countries.
Resistance against globalization was growing very strong when Bush took over the presidency, and an interesting conspiracy theory is that the Bush administation allowed 9/11 attacks to take place so that they had reason to up the military machine, go to war, get the petroleum and start to refashion the middle east to their vision and plan. It also allows them to reshape the political and constitutional structures of our governement so that a more authoritarian rule will prevail and thus prevent any resistance against governmental/globalization/multinational actions.
What we are witnessing today, this story of this partially black photographer is only the beginning and is a good example of how our rights as citizens of our own country are being pulled out right from under us...And we're allowing it!
Message edited by author 2004-07-17 21:09:45. |
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07/17/2004 09:40:55 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by louddog:
Jeez, police asking me questions. What freedoms are they going to take away from us next. I feel like I'm living in communist russia... |
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Comrade...we are already living in an atomosphere like communist Russia. There's Carnivore, Echelon, Total Information Awareness, CoIntell Pro, etc... Big Brother is here and he's watching everybody. Been that way for a long long time. I agree with the statement above about fascism coming here. It's going to be a totalitarian/police state in the US. Most freedoms will be lost. I'm not as concerned about the terrorists as I am about our political and business leaders. You see, there's a new kind of citizen on "the block" that has usurped the power of the people and communities...The Corporations. New in the sense that the government now exists to defend and uphold the rights and freedoms of big business...the multinational corporations, at the expense of the rights of the people. They support and help get elected the politicians we have now...whether Clinton or Bush and these politicians are beholden to their financial sponsors, and not to the body electorate...not to the everyday man/woman/child. Their rhetoric states they are, but they aren't. Sobering, I know. |
Copied from other threads:
From Playboy, July 1976
Interview with Karl Hess, former speechwriter for Senator (and Presidental candidate) Barry Goldwater
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HESS We frequently used to ask ourselves what the differences really were between us an the Soviets. Even then I was aware, as was Goldwater, that the differences were marginal, so we wanted to spell them out. But the more we discussed it, the harder it became. I mean, they have a secret police, we have a secret police. They can vote for only one candidate, here we have two--which makes us twice as good but not absolutely better, especially since our candidates are selected in such a peculiar fashion. We kept pressing each other for differences and when we got right down to it, for Goldwater, the difference was religion: "We are the children of light and they are the children of darkness."
PLAYBOY: That was the principal difference Goldwater found between us and the Russians?
HESS: Yes, and since I'm an atheist, I didn't consider his position wholly satisfying. But I think it turns out the entire Cold War didn't make sense without religion. Nelson Rockefeller doesn't make sense without religion--not that Nelson Rockefeller makes much sense with religion. But what other differences are there? As James Burnham pointed out in 1941, in The Managerial Revolution, the similarity between the Soviet state and the American Corporation is striking. So the find a difference worth dying for in opposing the Soviet Union while supporting General Motors requires a theological position.
PLAYBOY: It's surprising that Goldwater agreed with you on the similarities between the U.S. and Russia.
HESS: Not only did Goldwater agree with me but he had a theory of convergence that even I found somewhat radical. Goldwater believed--and probably still believes--that the Soviet Union, through the pressure of its people, would move steadily toward a free society, while the U.S., throught the pressure of the liberals and the momentum of the Federal bureaucracy, would become more and more oligarchic. But, unlike many convergence theorists, Goldwater did not believe we would meet and stabilize. He felt we would cross, that they would keep moving toward freedom and we would keep moving toward dictatorship.
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I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
-- Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865), quoted in Jack London's "The Iron Heel" |
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