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05/06/2011 06:55:48 AM · #26 |
The best reasons to release the photos have nothing to do with placating the few people that don't believe he is dead (some of them don't think Elvis is dead either).
The 2 reasons to release them are:
1. This will make many Americans feel good.
2. A message to the Islamic world of "Live in Peace, or Perish" |
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05/06/2011 06:56:43 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Indeed, totally on board with you and censoring such images. I think people should see and know the bloodshed of war. It's too removed from reality these days.
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i saw the images of the raid that were posted. People lying dead in pools of blood around there heads. Didn't phase me one bit. Most likely because i have seem worse on primetime tv. Point is, we know the bloodshed of war and we don't care. I'm starting to wonder if people want to see the image not out of proof but becuase this was kind of an anticlimactic end to his life. He died unarmed, without a fight in a million dollar compound, and the news broke 9 years after it should have on the same weekend as the royal wedding. He was a man with horrible intentions, he hijacked an entire religion and killed thousands of innocents. Maybe people want to SEE that he got his comeuppance. |
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05/06/2011 07:29:01 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by photodude:
The 2 reasons to release them are:
1. This will make many Americans feel good.
2. A message to the Islamic world of "Live in Peace, or Perish" |
Now how about two good reasons. |
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05/06/2011 07:40:32 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Now how about two good reasons. |
There aren't any. |
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05/06/2011 07:45:21 AM · #30 |
| The time to decide if you want a picture revealed is before you take it. If the administration didn't want pictures shown, they wouldn't have taken any. There is no way these pictures will not get out. By the way, there is also video of the whole event. |
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05/06/2011 08:21:01 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
The time to decide if you want a picture revealed is before you take it. If the administration didn't want pictures shown, they wouldn't have taken any. |
The photos were taken for digital face recognition as another way to confirm the ID. It wasn't a portrait session for press releases. Al Jazeera, Al Qaeda, OBL's relatives and Pakistan have all acknowledged the bad guy's death, so the only people left to convince are the ones who will never be convinced. |
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05/06/2011 08:48:16 AM · #32 |
I have no love or respect for Bin Laden. However, I remember how I felt when the Iranians showed pictures of American dead after the failed rescue attempt in Iran. To trot out his pictures and gloat over them, reduces us to the level of those who toyed with American dead. I'd rather not sink to that level. He's dead, the message has been sent. That is enough for me.
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05/06/2011 10:57:11 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Originally posted by photodude:
The 2 reasons to release them are:
1. This will make many Americans feel good.
2. A message to the Islamic world of "Live in Peace, or Perish" |
Now how about two good reasons. |
Brian, I think you have failed to realise that the  photodude's post contained an obvious typing error. He no doubt had meant to say:
"Only a drooling simpleton with an IQ in the range of a shoe size would say that ... 2 reasons to release them are .....(etc)"
You really shouldn't condemn a dude on the basis of a mere typo.
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05/06/2011 11:01:53 AM · #34 |
Given that Al Qaeda has now acknowledged OBL's death, releasing his death photo as "proof" is meaningless.
I still think it might help instill fear in those who would undertake a "career" as a jihadi.
As for not releasing it because it's "disgusting" or "repulsive" occasionally, life is that way. Don't think to hard about where that hamburger comes from either.
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05/06/2011 11:14:39 AM · #35 |
Ok...no "headshot" pictures but how about this take:
When Obama came to office he signed on to letting the media photograph the flag draped caskets of American Servicemen and women killed in the war. This came after the "other" prez didn't want the photos released. Some in congress fought for years to get the ok for the media to photograph these homecomings.
I say let's skip the photo of the dead body BUT show us and the world the photos and/or video of the Burial at Sea of Osama bin Laden.
If the citizens of the US and the world are up to seeing our servicemen's caskets, then noone should complain about seeing Osama's. |
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05/06/2011 11:45:32 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
It's like the lunar landing. Those who don't accept it as real never will. There is no way to prove it to them. |
We could send them to the moon ... |
Ok Jackie
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05/06/2011 01:32:06 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by photodude:
The 2 reasons to release them are:
1. This will make many Americans feel good.
2. A message to the Islamic world of "Live in Peace, or Perish" |
You, and many others misread the motivating factors of martyrdom in Islamic terrorism. When the brass in the military say that releasing the image will result in the death of more American troops, your intended message will not be the message received by your intended audience. Take a look at Assaf Moghadam's work. the motives of your enemies are important to understand, before you attempt to manipulate them.
As far as point one, I hope that America is better than that. If we are at the point where we will pleasure ourselves by viewing the shattered remains of slain bodies we are in much worse shape than I think we are. America has always been fearsome in war, but until lately we did not torture captured enemies, and we respected the bodies of those we killed. If we turn our backs on our beliefs to defeat an enemy, then we have lost our fight even in victory. |
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05/06/2011 02:05:12 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
As far as point one, I hope that America is better than that. If we are at the point where we will pleasure ourselves by viewing the shattered remains of slain bodies we are in much worse shape than I think we are. America has always been fearsome in war, but until lately we did not torture captured enemies, and we respected the bodies of those we killed. If we turn our backs on our beliefs to defeat an enemy, then we have lost our fight even in victory. |
+1
I don't think we need to stoop to that level of voyeurism.
It doesn't prove a single thing. If they wanted to fake photos, they'd do it well enough so we wouldn't know the difference.
It won't scare the terrorists -- that's incredibly naive.
No purpose to it. |
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05/06/2011 02:22:02 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
If the citizens of the US and the world are up to seeing our servicemen's caskets, then noone should complain about seeing Osama's.[/b] |
I may be wrong here, but I seriously doubt most people share a great desire to see anyone's casket, friend or foe alike.
As for the fear factor some allude to, when one considers that some individuals have no problem strapping large amounts of explosives to their bodies and blow themselves to kingdom come, I seriously doubt that a photo will offer much deterence to their end ambitions.
Mind you, I have been wrong before. :O)
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05/06/2011 02:51:03 PM · #40 |
Why shouldn't the full face of war and its consequences be shown to the public?
We've seen so many images of soldiers and civilians on both sides dead and dying on the battlefield and in their hometowns shown in full color in the press...what makes an image of one more so special?
It would make war a lot easier to swallow if none of those images were ever shown.
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05/06/2011 03:03:32 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why shouldn't the full face of war and its consequences be shown to the public? |
Because no good can come from it. The terrorists already know OBL is history and you're not going to deter a martyr wanna-be with the threat of death. People who don't believe the news aren't going to change their minds with more news, and it doesn't make sense to give bad guys more fodder for hatred merely to satisfy those with a taste for sensationalism. |
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05/06/2011 03:32:34 PM · #42 |
Those crazy bastards threaten, and put prices on the heads of people who draw Mohammed comics. Releasing these pictures who do nothing but fan the flames and be used by the scumbag leaders of these terrorists to incite their already fervent hatred of us.
I am not a big fan of Obama, in fact I am as far on the opposite side of him politically as it is possible to be. I hope he does not get reelected and I do not share his vision for this country whatsoever, but I must give credit where it is due. He has handled this particular situation almost flawlessly in my book. Even giving him a proper muslim burial was the right call IMHO. Add to that the decision to throw the stinking rat bastard's corpse to the fishes and not give the radicals a place to set up a shrine and use as a rallying cry for their insanity, was a brilliant stroke of politics. It fit into their customs but was still kind of an F-U. Good call on all counts if you ask me.
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05/06/2011 03:38:55 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why shouldn't the full face of war and its consequences be shown to the public? |
Because no good can come from it. The terrorists already know OBL is history and you're not going to deter a martyr wanna-be with the threat of death. People who don't believe the news aren't going to change their minds with more news, and it doesn't make sense to give bad guys more fodder for hatred merely to satisfy those with a taste for sensationalism. |
Your same argument could be used to ban any image that excites strong emotions. |
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05/06/2011 04:39:50 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Hope those demanding the photographs remember that by making those pictures public, you run the risk of young people seeing those images as well, not just the adults. There are certain things that kids don't need to be exposed to, true or not. |
Last time I checked the kids were the ones doing the fighting. I figure they outta be able to see what awaits them. -- This is not a statement about OBL or his death photo... Only a response to the "think of the children" argument.
Message edited by author 2011-05-06 16:40:51. |
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05/06/2011 04:50:18 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why shouldn't the full face of war and its consequences be shown to the public? |
Because no good can come from it. The terrorists already know OBL is history and you're not going to deter a martyr wanna-be with the threat of death. People who don't believe the news aren't going to change their minds with more news, and it doesn't make sense to give bad guys more fodder for hatred merely to satisfy those with a taste for sensationalism. |
Your same argument could be used to ban any image that excites strong emotions. |
Hardly. Disturbing images of famine and other disasters can help relief efforts- a good reason. Disturbing images of war, poaching, discrimination, acts of terrorism and other crimes can raise awareness and help identify the perpetrators- a good reason. Disturbing images of the poster child for enemy martyrdom posted for the sole purpose of "proving" death to those who have already acknowledged it and/or will never believe the evidence will do nothing but serve as Exhibit A of our alleged evil to those trying to recruit more bad guys- a bad reason. And stupid. |
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05/06/2011 05:07:01 PM · #46 |
Personally...I don't give a damm about the kids seeing it or the "firing up the enemy" take on it. I just want to see the bloody, brain oozing, smashed-in face of the person that caused 3000+ HORRIBLE deaths at the WTC and on the other jets. This madman had women jumping 100 floors to their DEATHs to escape the TORTURE - NOT WATERBOARDING - of BURNING ALIVE !
Again I will say....I WANT TO SEE THE FACE OF DEATH ON OSAMA !!!! I WANT TO SEE THE BULLET HOLES IN HIS FACE !!!! THAT'S RIGHT ....I SAID IT ! And if they have a video of this GREAT event, I want to see that !!!! I would have loved to see his FREAK FACE at the moment those BADASS NAVY SEALS put that laser in his eyeball. As it stands today, I'll have to be satisfied with imagining how he felt....WITH A SMILE ON MY FACE !
Also....I don't agree with ANY of Obama's politics or the way he runs the economy. I can say I probably disagree with 99.999999999999% of his decisions and policies. However......
...........I would honor him by carring him on my shoulders during the next Superbowl for HIS ordering the ASSASSINATION of OSAMA BIN LADIN. In this case - OBAMA is the MAN !
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Hope those demanding the photographs remember that by making those pictures public, you run the risk of young people seeing those images as well, not just the adults. There are certain things that kids don't need to be exposed to, true or not. |
Last time I checked the kids were the ones doing the fighting. I figure they outta be able to see what awaits them. -- This is not a statement about OBL or his death photo... Only a response to the "think of the children" argument. |
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05/06/2011 05:14:03 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Personally...I don't give a damm about... "firing up the enemy" take on it. |
Then you're not thinking. That same bloodlust that has you fired up to revel in the death of an enemy would apply to a whole new wave of recruits hoping for similar satisfaction. It hurts them more to NOT have something to rally around when their hero perishes isolated and unseen. |
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05/06/2011 05:30:14 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why shouldn't the full face of war and its consequences be shown to the public? |
Because no good can come from it. The terrorists already know OBL is history and you're not going to deter a martyr wanna-be with the threat of death. People who don't believe the news aren't going to change their minds with more news, and it doesn't make sense to give bad guys more fodder for hatred merely to satisfy those with a taste for sensationalism. |
Your same argument could be used to ban any image that excites strong emotions. |
Hardly. Disturbing images of famine and other disasters can help relief efforts- a good reason. Disturbing images of war, poaching, discrimination, acts of terrorism and other crimes can raise awareness and help identify the perpetrators- a good reason. Disturbing images of the poster child for enemy martyrdom posted for the sole purpose of "proving" death to those who have already acknowledged it and/or will never believe the evidence will do nothing but serve as Exhibit A of our alleged evil to those trying to recruit more bad guys- a bad reason. And stupid. |
How do you know they're the bad guys?
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05/06/2011 05:30:20 PM · #49 |
Yeah..Yeah....like NOT showing the pictures of his dead kicked in face is going to slow down the terrorists. Come on...the enemy just release a statement saying the were going to KICK OUR ASSES...and the HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THE PHOTOS. Pakistanis are already in the street FIRED UP against us and they have NOT even seen the photos.
Showing the photos is not going to make a damm bit of difference.
IN FACT - the ONLY time I would have any issue with releasing the photos is if the Obama campaign releases them OR they are leaked to a media outlet and then posted in OCTOBER 2012 ! Mark this post boys and girls...this may very well happen.....now you all have something else to talk about.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Personally...I don't give a damm about... "firing up the enemy" take on it. |
Then you're not thinking. That same bloodlust that has you fired up to revel in the death of an enemy would apply to a whole new wave of recruits hoping for similar satisfaction. It hurts them more to NOT have something to rally around when their hero perishes isolated and unseen. |
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05/06/2011 05:32:05 PM · #50 |
Here ya go... The facebook page for him just before.....
Linkie
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