Should I stay or should I go...?

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

04/26/2011 04:49:51 PM · #1

The question here is should I move back to Canon with a 7D or should I stay with Nikon??

For, I like Canon lenses, but I don't like their half-assed camera releases with faults and bugs.

For, I like Nikon for their ease of use, but I can't afford Nikkor lenses of L glass quality.

The reason for the 7D would be the crop factor and 'L' glass for wildlife shots. I thought carefully about the 5D mkII to replace the Nikon D700, but I don't really need Full Frame!

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fotomann_forever

04/26/2011 05:05:23 PM · #2

I'm enjoying my switch from Canon to Nikon.

1) Nikon glass of non-L quality seriously outpeforms non-L Canon glass. Low-end Canon glass (other than primes) suck.

2) More dedication to the DX format and I like lightweight gear.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

04/26/2011 05:07:16 PM · #3

FWIW, Canon lens prices have risen to the point that I really don't know how much cost advantage there is in the telephoto end. It's not like it used to be.
As far as I can see, Nikon has some advantage in the sensor performance, so I don't see a compelling reason to switch back from that perspective. Personally, I would never go back to APS-C from FF, no matter my need for reach. My feeling is that I want to use as much of the image circle as I can, anything less is throwing away information.

Basta

Nikon D4

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

04/26/2011 05:16:36 PM · #4

Do you still have your D300? Could you live with it ? because you can get a nice glass for D700 if you don't care about FF...
I'm not sure but I think Nikon Pro glass is same $$ as Canon "L"...how would you buy Canon "L" if you can't get Nikon Pro?

How are teleconverters performing with glass you have now?(just wonder, because I'm looking at TC17, and everything I read calls for" fast glass only" with TC's)

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fotomann_forever

04/26/2011 05:17:37 PM · #5

Originally posted by kirbic:

I want to use as much of the image circle as I can, anything less is throwing away information.

That kinda depends on the lens. If you have a sub-par lens with bad barrel distortion, for example, that might be information you want to throw away. Ofcourse, most people wouldn't be putting a lens like that on a FF body anyway.

Nusbaum

Fujifilm X-T1

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/26/2011 05:19:40 PM · #6

I had contemplated a move to the 7D in order to keep overall costs down. I was pretty happy with my 35mm f2, 50mm f/1.4 and 85mm f/1.8 on my 40D and the price was amazingly reasonable. Shifting to full frame puts the 135mm f/2L where the 85 used to sit and that really starts to crank up the $$. But, one look at portrait with the 5D mkii and the 135mm and I'm stuck again.

I think the only message here would be... don't mess with full frame, the 5D you mentioned, and L glass unless you are prepared to deal with the consequences.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

04/27/2011 03:14:56 PM · #7

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by kirbic:
I want to use as much of the image circle as I can, anything less is throwing away information.

That kinda depends on the lens. If you have a sub-par lens with bad barrel distortion, for example, that might be information you want to throw away. Ofcourse, most people wouldn't be putting a lens like that on a FF body anyway.

Precisely. FF is a different animal, and as

Nusbaum pointed out, you'd better be ready to pay the price for that larger image circle; most low-buck lenses just don't cut it, though of course there are notable exceptions.
In the long telephoto end, though, things are complicated by the fact that there really are only the high-buck lenses, and if you are going to use them, you might as well use the whole image circle, anything else is a waste. Heck, the cost of most bodies pales in comparison to the cost of the glass.

Edit for typo

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04/27/2011 04:23:54 PM · #8

I probably didn't make myself clear with the original post. I am not opposed to FF, but really can't afford more storage for 21mp photos as a 5D mkII would provide. I do use the D300 a lot at the moment and I also use Kenko teleconverters 1.4x and 2x, these retain autofocus on all lenses.

I have another reason for this move,

motherlee wanted a new camera. She tried a Panasonic bridge and wasn't happy. She had passed on her Nikon D3000 to our son, he is as happy as a pig in s**t with it:) So, she decided she liked the Canon 600D and I was not prepared to have two different brands of camera and lenses, double expense on all equipment. So, as I had been considering Canon again after a few years, I suggested it would be sensible to both use same brand and share lens. So, there are a couple of budget type lenses, 18-55mm IS II, 55-250mm IS, 70-300mm USM and of course a couple of higher quality, 17-40mm L, 100mm L Macro, 100-400mm f4 L.

I am not complaining about Nikon v Canon L glass, merely the fact that Canon have a wider range. It amazes me that Canon still produce the 100-400mm, it must be a '90s throwback, but it is still a top lens. The Nikon 80-400mm VR just doesn't compare and a new model would be out of my budget at the moment.

I think Canon and Nikon are both poised to bring out new FF cameras, Nikon need to up their megapixels and Canon really need to drop theirs to more user friendly 16-18mp range. Perhaps if Canon do, then I will move into the FF range once more and retain the crop factor 7D as well, just as I have with Nikon.

Anyway, probably confused everyone even more, I know I've confused myself:))

Nusbaum

Fujifilm X-T1

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/27/2011 04:30:18 PM · #9

Originally posted by SteveJ:

I probably didn't make myself clear with the original post. I am not opposed to FF, but really can't afford more storage for 21mp photos as a 5D mkII would provide.

The key here is to just not keep so much. I've had to force myself to shoot like it costs nothing but edit as though I was shooting with film. Basically, if I never would have wasted film on a specific shot, then it's not probably not worth keeping.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/27/2011 04:36:14 PM · #10

Originally posted by Nusbaum:

Originally posted by SteveJ:
I probably didn't make myself clear with the original post. I am not opposed to FF, but really can't afford more storage for 21mp photos as a 5D mkII would provide.

The key here is to just not keep so much. I've had to force myself to shoot like it costs nothing but edit as though I was shooting with film. Basically, if I never would have wasted film on a specific shot, then it's not probably not worth keeping.

I shot film for years...hated the wait for processing, then the disappointment of wasted shots. Digital gives me freedom...an old man's dream...hit that shutter button and be damned!! 200 shots, I get to keep 150, 50 are decent shots, the rest are kept because new software in the future will correct every defect and I will possess hundreds of masterpieces:)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/27/2011 05:16:42 PM · #11

Originally posted by SteveJ:

Digital gives me freedom...an old man's dream...hit that shutter button and be damned!! 200 shots, I get to keep 150, 50 are decent shots, the rest are kept because new software in the future will correct every defect and I will possess hundreds of masterpieces:)

But I've calculated storing those frames costs anywhere from five to thirty-five cents each, and probably again ever couple of years as storage devices/media/formats continue to migrate ... not counting the time to re-copy them over and over again. Digital pictures are not really "free."

I heard a report about the place which archives Hollywood movies -- climate-controlled salt cavern safe from nuclear attack and everything. As I remember they said that maintaining the archives for a feature shot on film was something like $60K/year, while maintaining archival copies of a feature shot all-digital was more likely to end up being on the order of $600K/year, once the cost of keeing the data up-to-date for decades/centuries is factored in ... :-(

Film also gives you a copy of the image you can see ... just in case all the electricity goes away.

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MikeO

Fujifilm x100

04/27/2011 06:22:01 PM · #12

Come back Steve, you know you want to !

You are welcome to borrow my 7D and see how you like it

Message edited by author 2011-04-27 18:24:34.

Simms

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

04/27/2011 06:58:55 PM · #13

Originally posted by SteveJ:

You`re missing a trick Steve - maybe you can pick up a second hand 1dmk3 for the same price as a decent 5Dmk2 - so you have 1.3 crop, awesome AF capabilities and the sensor is a smidge over 10mp - so the RAWs are none too big. The AF Servo mode and 10fps of the 1dmk3 is great for fast moving wildlife!

05/13/2011 04:46:56 PM · #14

Originally posted by Sevlow:

Come back Steve, you know you want to !

You are welcome to borrow my 7D and see how you like it

I have come back:)

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

05/13/2011 04:48:31 PM · #15

Originally posted by SteveJ:

Originally posted by Sevlow:
Come back Steve, you know you want to !

You are welcome to borrow my 7D and see how you like it

I have come back:)

Yay ! So you did it!

05/13/2011 04:52:26 PM · #16

Originally posted by Sevlow:

Originally posted by SteveJ:

Originally posted by Sevlow:
Come back Steve, you know you want to !

You are welcome to borrow my 7D and see how you like it

I have come back:)

Yay ! So you did it!

And some!! She has a 600D and I have the 7D. She who must be obeyed like the look of the 600D, she didn't like the Nikon look! I can't afford two different systems, so Canon win this day. But...I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve...perhaps a new lens??

ETA: Sold all my Nikon gear on eBay, and I did pretty well and broke near enough even, something I hadn't thought possible. So, there is a little cash floating at the moment.

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MikeO

Fujifilm x100

05/13/2011 05:22:39 PM · #17

So, it was 'the wife's fault'... :-)

We will have to go out again sporting our 7D's sometime.

So...what lenses are you looking at then?