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03/26/2011 10:22:25 PM · #51 |
| Oh Bear, that was a 10. At least. |
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03/26/2011 10:31:17 PM · #52 |
Wikipedia-
"Fine art photography refers to photographs that are created to fulfill the creative vision of the artist (photographer)"
In this case, I think photographer not only creates something, like posing people, putting things together, also means takes a photo of something he or she sees with a unique perspective. They both are the vision of a photographer's eyes, and should count as "fine art"
am I making any sense here? |
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03/26/2011 10:43:18 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by marnet:
Not liking the image is not good enough reason to score it low. |
It is for me. Bear said it well. |
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03/26/2011 10:50:51 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by marnet:
In the artist's vision anything goes so how can I be the judge. Not liking the image is not good enough reason to score it low. |
Of course it is! What is art, if not subjective? Give good scores to the images that work for you, bad scores to the ones that fail utterly in your eyes, and in-between scores to the ones that seem well-aimed, even if they ultimately don't hit your personal mark.
R. |
Yes but it is more subjective during voting. Afterward I might find out WHY the artist chose this vision and feel bad about not seeing it! I can't be subjective 100%! It is the same with being objective. I can't do this 100% either :)
Message edited by author 2011-03-26 22:54:29. |
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03/26/2011 11:05:06 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by marnet:
Yes but it is more subjective during voting. Afterward I might find out WHY the artist chose this vision and feel bad about not seeing it! I can't be subjective 100%! It is the same with being objective. I can't do this 100% either :) |
Just for the sake of argument, it's equally likely that the ones you LIKE, you will not have liked for the "right reason", if you're thinking that way. In the end, it doesn't matter a whit what the artist is putting into the work — it's what you TAKE from the work that pays the freight.
R. |
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03/26/2011 11:10:00 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by marnet:
Yes but it is more subjective during voting. Afterward I might find out WHY the artist chose this vision and feel bad about not seeing it! I can't be subjective 100%! It is the same with being objective. I can't do this 100% either :) |
Just for the sake of argument, it's equally likely that the ones you LIKE, you will not have liked for the "right reason", if you're thinking that way. In the end, it doesn't matter a whit what the artist is putting into the work — it's what you TAKE from the work that pays the freight.
R. |
Yes, but then I am disappointed with the results. |
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03/26/2011 11:10:09 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by marnet:
Yes but it is more subjective during voting. Afterward I might find out WHY the artist chose this vision and feel bad about not seeing it! I can't be subjective 100%! It is the same with being objective. I can't do this 100% either :) |
Yes, subjectivity is destructive to decision making, but I imagine it will make for some interesting discussion among the judges.
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03/26/2011 11:40:08 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
Originally posted by marnet:
Yes but it is more subjective during voting. Afterward I might find out WHY the artist chose this vision and feel bad about not seeing it! I can't be subjective 100%! It is the same with being objective. I can't do this 100% either :) |
Yes, subjectivity is destructive to decision making, but I imagine it will make for some interesting discussion among the judges. |
Only when the decision calls for objectivity. Enjoying a piece of art, any art, is not based on an objective approach. At least not for me. |
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03/26/2011 11:48:27 PM · #59 |
| Margret, how do you approach your photo impressionism? It becomes easier when the objective aspects are the means to the end. The subjective/feelings/vision/stimulation/etc. are the true foundation of your creation. I believe we can learn to react to art in this manner, and thus voting becomes less stressful and more of a joy. |
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03/26/2011 11:52:12 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Margret, how do you approach your photo impressionism? It becomes easier when the objective aspects are the means to the end. The subjective/feelings/vision/stimulation/etc. are the true foundation of your creation. I believe we can learn to react to art in this manner, and thus voting becomes less stressful and more of a joy. |
I am nowhere with photo impressionism. I am back to landscape, at least for the time being. But I haven't given up yet :) |
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03/27/2011 12:07:26 AM · #61 |
The artist serves the viewer. If you are unimpressed, score it low.
Art depends on your brutal honesty. So much bad art is a result of people trying to guess what they think they should like. |
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03/27/2011 12:42:26 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
The artist serves the viewer. |
The best art is never shown. |
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03/27/2011 12:47:20 AM · #63 |
There is one art:
No more, no less —
To do all things
With artlessness.
— Piet Hein |
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03/27/2011 12:53:50 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by posthumous:
The artist serves the viewer. |
The best art is never shown. |
If you want to express yourself you must present something tangible. But after a while this has only the function of a historic document. Objects aren̢۪t very important any more. I want to get to the origin of matter, to the thought behind it. -Joseph Beuys |
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03/27/2011 01:10:58 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
Originally posted by marnet:
Yes but it is more subjective during voting. Afterward I might find out WHY the artist chose this vision and feel bad about not seeing it! I can't be subjective 100%! It is the same with being objective. I can't do this 100% either :) |
Yes, subjectivity is destructive to decision making, but I imagine it will make for some interesting discussion among the judges. |
Only when the decision calls for objectivity. Enjoying a piece of art, any art, is not based on an objective approach. At least not for me. |
I was referring to the 'vote' itself - it is no longer subjective when you assign a number to the photo. Somewhere in the process the brain has to shift gears and equate a number with the corresponding emotion. It's a subjective objectivity that's often dependent on the amount of alcohol consumed during voting.
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03/27/2011 01:31:47 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
I was referring to the 'vote' itself - it is no longer subjective when you assign a number to the photo. Somewhere in the process the brain has to shift gears and equate a number with the corresponding emotion. It's a subjective objectivity that's often dependent on the amount of alcohol consumed during voting. |
True |
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03/27/2011 01:44:07 AM · #67 |
| Never enough alcohol for the number emotion equation. All roads lead to blur. |
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03/27/2011 02:27:20 AM · #68 |
I always consider photography is an art. No matter what kind of photos you take, since it's going through your eyes, and your unique perspective, it becomes art of an individual.
I think fine art is photography with unique unusual perspective. For example. Take a portrait photo of a woman. Main light, filler and hair light. Tell her smile a little, turn her head to main light slightly, chin down, and tilt the head to make it a cute image.
Now, same model, same photographer but only one light. You're telling her to turn her back, grab her own shoulders, and lean sideways a little for an interesting pose. Lots of shadows, only half of her face can be seeing... plus, it's all out of focus... that's Fine Art for me.
So, with unique perspective and technique, everything could become a fine art as I mentioned earlier. "Imagination running wild" probably a better explanation for a fine art photography.
my other two cents :-\ |
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03/27/2011 08:25:21 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by posthumous:
The artist serves the viewer. |
The best art is never shown. |
If you want to express yourself you must present something tangible. But after a while this has only the function of a historic document. Objects aren̢۪t very important any more. I want to get to the origin of matter, to the thought behind it. -Joseph Beuys |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There is one art:
No more, no less —
To do all things
With artlessness.
— Piet Hein |
A platoon without a leader is a like a foot without a big toe.
- Bill Murray |
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03/27/2011 08:54:48 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I always consider photography is an art. No matter what kind of photos you take, since it's going through your eyes, and your unique perspective, it becomes art of an individual.
I think fine art is photography with unique unusual perspective. For example. Take a portrait photo of a woman. Main light, filler and hair light. Tell her smile a little, turn her head to main light slightly, chin down, and tilt the head to make it a cute image.
Now, same model, same photographer but only one light. You're telling her to turn her back, grab her own shoulders, and lean sideways a little for an interesting pose. Lots of shadows, only half of her face can be seeing... plus, it's all out of focus... that's Fine Art for me.
So, with unique perspective and technique, everything could become a fine art as I mentioned earlier. "Imagination running wild" probably a better explanation for a fine art photography.
my other two cents :-\ |
good post...so.....my shoes entry is fine art? imagination wild
It's unique, for sure. I can't imagine ever seeing another photo like it.
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03/27/2011 09:11:49 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by Marjo:
good post...so.....my shoes entry is fine art? imagination wild
It's unique, for sure. I can't imagine ever seeing another photo like it. |
Yes, sometimes art just happens. Art can be a function of letting it be and letting it show.
Ironically, I think a lot of the modern and postmodern ideas about art that dpc often finds offensive actually stemmed from this new artform of photography, because it is so much more passive than painting. |
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03/27/2011 09:32:33 AM · #72 |
In school we collected ideas about what art is. I think that I already posted some for the sake of keeping the head above water.
I mean, art for art's sake is ridiculous. Art is for the sake of one's needs. (Carl Andre)
Art is made by the alone for the alone. (Luis Barragan)
Art is not a pastime but a priesthood. (Jean Cocteau)
I once had the nerve to ask Picasso the question "What is art?" He answered, "Art is a lie which makes us see the truth." (James Dickey)
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03/27/2011 09:57:53 AM · #73 |
4th place. A unique perspective and good framing for those animals... since they do have their own texture which adds to whole picture... altogether, it becomes a fine art.
1st place. Totally random shot with unique technique. Nothing special other than what photographer wanted to see besides an everyday photo.
7th place. Photographer not only wanted to see something unique, but he also prepared everything himself to make it interesting and unusual. From the moment getting ready, shoot and process, this photo was totally belong to the photographer... Yet, it became only 7th place. Even it's a very good fine art, doesn't mean preparation is the art... it's part of it, but the perspective counts the most.
Some people will probably force themselves to get ready for a shoot and over-prepare. i think besides doing all that, go outside, and try to see things, you never tried to see before... perhaps, slow down your shutter little, try different F stops, and ISO settings. Even use a filter or two.
...my last two cents :-P |
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03/27/2011 11:30:56 AM · #74 |
I am confused (what's new? :)
I thought that photographic art was the artist's vision of reality. It may be what we consider a realistic vision or conceptualized to an abstract form. Photographic art can be elaborately arranged into a shot or accidental. This applies even to holiday snapshots. Just framing an image either accidental or intentional becomes one person's vision of reality.
There is a big skill in cropping and processing images. Something very mundane and ordinary can become artistic statement by an adventurous crop, change of colors, light and form.
So maybe it all comes down to perception - how do others see artist's vision? Can they see it at all? If nobody can see what the artist saw did the artist fail? Or is art so subjective that only one person can see it - the artist?
Ha! (about that :) |
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03/27/2011 11:52:45 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
1st place. Totally random shot with unique technique. |
unique sounds good
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Nothing special other than what photographer wanted to see besides an everyday photo. |
This does not make sense. It appears you are denying, but acknowlegding, the presence of a uniquely special photograph. |
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