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03/06/2011 05:23:00 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by hahn23:
I routinely keep my original files. Not because of DPC, but because it's good management. Who knows when new and improved software will come along to allow better processing. (happens all the time) I think I could dig out of my files all of the originals for all my challenge entries. |
Ditto. I know for a fact I could dig up all MINE. And it has nothing to do with DPC.
R. |
Yep. |
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03/06/2011 05:27:34 PM · #27 |
I still have all of my originals... being able to find them in a timely fashion, that is something altogether different. :O)
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03/06/2011 05:33:11 PM · #28 |
Damn! Well, I can go back to 2006. Anything I had before that was lost in a computer crash. Actually back in 2003 & 2004 I used to do all my uploading at work to my work computer (since I didn't have any editing software at home at the time). Came in one day to find out they had wiped all our computers clean to upgrade the OS. While they did do system backups first they wouldn't give us back anything deemed "personal" (pictures, music, etc.) despite people freaking out. I didn't use my work computer for pictures anymore after that. LOL! I did just recently lose a whole day's shooting at the aquarium when I transfered to my external drive and deleted off my C drive without checking the transfer only to find out it didn't go through. Thankfully I hadn't used any of those pictures in a challenge. Now I do both the external & DVD's.
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03/06/2011 05:50:27 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Poll: Do others think that too? [Asked in earnest, not meant to "isolate" Penny |
Despite the fact that Penny is a friend of mine (I'm biased), I do think that a time qualifier should be present. Closes a loophole. "Maintain your originals indefinitely"
Message edited by author 2011-03-06 17:50:54. |
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03/06/2011 06:05:04 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Poll: Do others think that too? [Asked in earnest, not meant to "isolate" Penny] |
To be honest I thought it was just for the top five or those asked during voting. I would be surprised to be asked for validation if voting had ended a while back. Seems weird.
I don't think the SC has the ability to cover it all if people start submitting validation requests for past challenges, or validation requests for current challenges if people know they cannot be questioned once the challenge is over. An odd scenario. Fortunately I guess this isn't a big problem. |
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03/06/2011 06:08:34 PM · #31 |
| I was keeping originals for all my entries. In absence of a stated time-frame, I assumed I should keep them at least as long as I participated in dpc. |
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03/06/2011 06:28:43 PM · #32 |
| One more funny twist to this is... we are all away from our storage drives for more than 48 hours now and then. For current challenges it's easy send in an original just in case you'll be away. But what if a validation request comes comes in for an older challenge? You still only have 48 hours to submit an original? Should we submit an original for every single photo submitted? |
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03/06/2011 06:32:26 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
One more funny twist to this is... we are all away from our storage drives for more than 48 hours now and then. For current challenges it's easy send in an original just in case you'll be away. But what if a validation request comes comes in for an older challenge? You still only have 48 hours to submit an original? Should we submit an original for every single photo submitted? |
I'd like to think they'd relax the 48-hr thing for legacy validations: after all, it's not as if they're time-sensitive anymore...
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03/06/2011 06:36:24 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
One more funny twist to this is... we are all away from our storage drives for more than 48 hours now and then. For current challenges it's easy send in an original just in case you'll be away. But what if a validation request comes comes in for an older challenge? You still only have 48 hours to submit an original? Should we submit an original for every single photo submitted? |
hmmmmm. I'm going to be away for four days next week....... |
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03/06/2011 07:02:32 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by hahn23:
I routinely keep my original files. Not because of DPC, but because it's good management. Who knows when new and improved software will come along to allow better processing. (happens all the time) I think I could dig out of my files all of the originals for all my challenge entries. |
Ditto. I know for a fact I could dig up all MINE. And it has nothing to do with DPC.
R. |
I could probably get almost all of my originals for at least the past 3 years, if not 5 or 7 with enough digging. And, likewise, it has nothing to do with dpc. In fact, we could probably do a special episode of "hoarders" for people like me -- those that throw nothing electronic away. :P :P :P |
I keep all my originals too, you never know when a new editing technique will show up to try. |
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03/06/2011 07:13:12 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
So if we are truly expected we keep all originals indefinitely why is that not stated in the rules? Seriously, and maybe naive of me, I thought that once a challenge was over (except for the top 5 scoring entries - or maybe top 10 in case one or more of the top 5 didn't make it through validation) there wouldn't be any reason to ask for proof. |
It says "You Must":
"retain your original, unedited file(s) (exactly as recorded by your camera), and provide them to the Site Council along with a description of your setup and list of your editing steps within 48 hours of any validation request. This notice will be sent, with instructions, to your listed email address, and will also appear on the left side of your DPChallenge home page when you are logged in. Files that have been saved or altered with any editing or transfer software are NOT originals. DNG files are not considered originals unless recorded in that format by the camera."
What made you think it was only during the challenge?
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I'm not sure what made me think it was only during the challenge but I guess I know that every one sees the picture during voting and has the opportunity then to decide if they see something wrong plus I thought it was an anonymous process. Once the voting is done you know whose picture it is and then it doesn't seem as fair. |
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03/06/2011 07:19:20 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
If you can find where it says 7 days that would be helpful. |
It's in the voting rules, and has been for years. "You must submit any disqualification requests as soon as you suspect a rule violation, but no later than seven days after the challenge results are posted." |
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03/06/2011 07:26:31 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I'm not sure what made me think it was only during the challenge but I guess I know that every one sees the picture during voting and has the opportunity then to decide if they see something wrong plus I thought it was an anonymous process. Once the voting is done you know whose picture it is and then it doesn't seem as fair. |
But what if after voting you read a photographers notes and he said that he combined 2 photos and it was a basic editing challeng? Would you not request validation? I would and I have in the past after voting. The fact that I know know who took the picture is irrelevant. Why should that photographer be allowed to ignore the rules just because he came in 10th or 50th? |
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03/06/2011 08:06:56 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
If you can find where it says 7 days that would be helpful. |
It's in the voting rules, and has been for years. "You must submit any disqualification requests as soon as you suspect a rule violation, but no later than seven days after the challenge results are posted." |
thanks - I guess I'm guilty here of selective reading.... since I would never submit a disqualifiation request I didn't think it pertained to me. |
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03/06/2011 08:13:47 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I'm not sure what made me think it was only during the challenge but I guess I know that every one sees the picture during voting and has the opportunity then to decide if they see something wrong plus I thought it was an anonymous process. Once the voting is done you know whose picture it is and then it doesn't seem as fair. |
But what if after voting you read a photographers notes and he said that he combined 2 photos and it was a basic editing challenge? Would you not request validation? I would and I have in the past after voting. The fact that I know know who took the picture is irrelevant. Why should that photographer be allowed to ignore the rules just because he came in 10th or 50th? |
Yes, I thought of this... Bear said it too. And no, I would not request validation.... but that's just me.
Anyway, we have just been shown the rules which state that a validation request may be made up to seven days after the challenge ends. If we didn't know that before, we do now. |
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03/06/2011 08:57:28 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by bohemka:
One more funny twist to this is... we are all away from our storage drives for more than 48 hours now and then. For current challenges it's easy send in an original just in case you'll be away. But what if a validation request comes comes in for an older challenge? You still only have 48 hours to submit an original? Should we submit an original for every single photo submitted? |
hmmmmm. I'm going to be away for four days next week....... |
As long as you contact us and explain that you'll be unable to upload your original due to a good reason (such as being out of town), odds are we'd grant an extension of the deadline. There'd always be a reminder on your homepage if we've requested validation on anyone's entry, plus there's the email to your registered address as well, so there's a good chance you'll see our request and be able to contact us even if you're not able to get the originals to us immediately.
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03/06/2011 09:09:19 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by bohemka:
One more funny twist to this is... we are all away from our storage drives for more than 48 hours now and then. For current challenges it's easy send in an original just in case you'll be away. But what if a validation request comes comes in for an older challenge? You still only have 48 hours to submit an original? Should we submit an original for every single photo submitted? |
hmmmmm. I'm going to be away for four days next week....... |
As long as you contact us and explain that you'll be unable to upload your original due to a good reason (such as being out of town), odds are we'd grant an extension of the deadline. There'd always be a reminder on your homepage if we've requested validation on anyone's entry, plus there's the email to your registered address as well, so there's a good chance you'll see our request and be able to contact us even if you're not able to get the originals to us immediately. |
sounds good! |
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03/06/2011 09:11:58 PM · #43 |
| I have a feeling I'll have a validation request by morning. |
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03/07/2011 05:26:14 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
If you can find where it says 7 days that would be helpful. |
It's in the voting rules, and has been for years. "You must submit any disqualification requests as soon as you suspect a rule violation, but no later than seven days after the challenge results are posted." |
Thanks  Scalvert. I was sure I'd seen 7 days somewhere but could I for the life of me find it for Penny. I'm glad someone is on the ball.
Certainly I can think of 1 dq submission I made after the challenge ended. It did not get dq'd which still baffles me but never mind :-)
Message edited by author 2011-03-07 17:27:10. |
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03/07/2011 07:22:39 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by lawrysimm:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
If you can find where it says 7 days that would be helpful. |
It's in the voting rules, and has been for years. "You must submit any disqualification requests as soon as you suspect a rule violation, but no later than seven days after the challenge results are posted." |
Thanks Scalvert. I was sure I'd seen 7 days somewhere but could I for the life of me find it for Penny. I'm glad someone is on the ball.
Certainly I can think of 1 dq submission I made after the challenge ended. It did not get dq'd which still baffles me but never mind :-) |
Yes thanks, it's funny how so many people responded to this thread but evidently Larry was one of the few who even "thought" this rule existed |
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03/07/2011 07:32:20 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Yes thanks, it's funny how so many people responded to this thread but evidently Larry was one of the few who even "thought" this rule existed |
I say that, regardless of this rule, if you come across something which could indicate a pattern of past violations, as previously outlined by Neil and Alan, you should report it, but via a ticket, rather than requesting validation on any individual photos. |
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03/07/2011 07:36:21 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Yes thanks, it's funny how so many people responded to this thread but evidently Larry was one of the few who even "thought" this rule existed |
I say that, regardless of this rule, if you come across something which could indicate a pattern of past violations, as previously outlined by Neil and Alan, you should report it, but via a ticket, rather than requesting validation on any individual photos. |
That's important, yes. |
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03/07/2011 07:39:45 PM · #48 |
| Inquiring minds... Did you actually have a request? Or was this all hypothetical? |
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03/07/2011 07:41:50 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Inquiring minds... Did you actually have a request? Or was this all hypothetical? |
not hypothetical.....
edited to say, unfortunately.
Message edited by author 2011-03-07 19:46:53. |
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03/07/2011 08:10:19 PM · #50 |
| There probably should be a statue of limitations on originals. I think I could find most of my originals, but I used to store my digital photos on cd's and dvd's and I have now found that some of them are hopelessly corrupt. |
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