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11/29/2010 12:30:39 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
1. if your art is good to excellent, why detract from it; why give the so-called border police "amo"? where is the self confidence in your art? |
If that's the case, why do any editing at all? Shouldn't your art be able to stand on it's own? |
"editing" IS art in that it is simply a step to "finishing" your image. you take a photo, THEN you make it into a picture. ask ansel adams! |
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11/29/2010 12:33:15 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
"editing" IS art in that it is simply a step to "finishing" your image. you take a photo, THEN you make it into a picture. ask ansel adams! |
Excellent point. The last time I went to an Ansel Adams exhibit, they were all in frames. I guess Ansel's art can't stand on it's own merits.
Message edited by author 2010-11-29 12:34:19.
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11/29/2010 02:40:05 PM · #28 |
If I knew how to make a border I would sometimes use one. Are they allowed in basic?
Are they a layer under the photo? |
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11/29/2010 02:45:22 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Are they allowed in basic? |
A simple border, yes. It's just adding some pixels around the edge. Such as this:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Are they a layer under the photo? |
If I do a simple border such as the above example (done in PaintShop Pro), no, it is not a layer. The "picture frame" function in PSP does create the frame on a separate layer, however, so it is legal in advanced but not basic.
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11/29/2010 03:54:42 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
If I knew how to make a border I would sometimes use one. Are they allowed in basic?
Are they a layer under the photo? |
In Photoshop: "Image>Canvas Size"
Click the box in the middle of the "tic-tac-toe" diagram, then enter horizontal and vertical values twice what you want for each edge: for a symmetrical, 10-pixels-all-around border, select "20 Pixels" as the value for both horizontal and vertical. Choose the color in the appropriate boxes, it will be obvious when you look at it.
R. |
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11/29/2010 03:56:54 PM · #31 |
| Thanks guys, I'll have a look when I get home. |
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11/29/2010 05:34:51 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
"editing" IS art in that it is simply a step to "finishing" your image. you take a photo, THEN you make it into a picture. ask ansel adams! |
Excellent point. The last time I went to an Ansel Adams exhibit, they were all in frames. I guess Ansel's art can't stand on it's own merits. |
sheesh man - chill. our previous "discussion" obviously has you still in a childish snit. expressing my OPINION here. dont like it? move on! |
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11/29/2010 06:59:46 PM · #33 |
I was simply making a point that a frame or border is also part of finishing an image. You just gave me a great way of making that point is all.
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11/29/2010 08:24:07 PM · #34 |
| Well I'll be, it works for me. |
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12/01/2010 12:31:01 AM · #35 |
Two blue ribbon winners have framing. One, black, which looks very good, completes the story, and a double framing, with white line to compliment the lightning.
They stay good and look good on the photos. |
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12/01/2010 04:14:56 AM · #36 |
I disagree, Leo. I think this border is flat out stupid and said as much in my comments during the challenge (didn't vote, so it didn't hurt the score). I can really let it out now that it took the blue. With a shot like this I want to see it as large as possible. And that's just the first problem with it. Rarely do borders bother me but this one certainly did.
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12/01/2010 04:21:44 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
I disagree, Leo. I think this border is flat out stupid and said as much in my comments during the challenge (didn't vote, so it didn't hurt the score). I can really let it out now that it took the blue. With a shot like this I want to see it as large as possible. And that's just the first problem with it. Rarely do borders bother me but this one certainly did.
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It might be little too much. Seems like photo's "wow" is overcoming the border! |
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12/01/2010 11:14:14 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
I disagree, Leo. I think this border is flat out stupid and said as much in my comments during the challenge (didn't vote, so it didn't hurt the score). I can really let it out now that it took the blue. With a shot like this I want to see it as large as possible. And that's just the first problem with it. Rarely do borders bother me but this one certainly did.
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Agreed, border is wildly out of proportion with the image, that it scored so well anyway is an illustration of content overcoming presentation. "What's so bad about it?" you ask? I'll tell you: the key part of the image itself is a series of fine, white lines making a delicate tracery (the lightning) and the white inline on the border is so aggressive it completely overpowers the lightning, drawing attention away from it. The same border, but with a hairline-width inline, would have been fine IMO. I can understand why Rian was motivated to have the black surround, and I can understand his desire to break it up, but not with such a heavy inline.
R.
ETA: something like this would work better for me:
Message edited by author 2010-12-01 11:25:15. |
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12/06/2010 12:18:13 AM · #39 |
Last challenge, I had an orange, which was cut from the bottom. I am sure it would do little, but if I put frame around the photo, eyes probably wouldn't bother with the bottom of the orange too much.
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Leaving it as is gave me the feeling of "unfinished photo" |
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12/06/2010 12:29:13 AM · #40 |
Used a frame on my own, but I suspect since the shot was dead-mediocre, it wasn't worth anyone's trouble to ding the border or mention it. I do think it worked with it, but I like the look.
Message edited by author 2010-12-06 00:30:11.
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01/27/2011 04:34:26 PM · #41 |
some other thoughts on the subject:
98% of the time they are pretentious, misleading and distracting - result is less image to view and the art suffers. In extreme cases they seem to be used to cover up flaws or just "dress up" a mediocre work. I leave matting and framing to my local frame shop.
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
So, from the 'border police' why do you hate borders? |
1. flippantly, I could just answer with this: we are judging photography not some frame shop's skills in matting/framing;
2. my experience in several years here is that approx 85% of borders overwhelm the art; distract from the art; cause undue attention to parts of image near the borders; truly hurt the image presentation and thus I will drop it a point for those reasons. the pencil thin black stroke is one thing, but the fussy borders are quite often simply tasteless and cause me to think that I am not judging an artist but a showman/woman.
3. I only dump a point or two off if the border truly hurts the image and/or I need a tie breaker with an equal merit clean presentation.
4. I understand the concept of "finished" that is expressed here; and from time to time (on a image by image basis) actually agree, but ...my questions are two-fold:
1. if your art is good to excellent, why detract from it; why give the so-called border police "amo"? where is the self confidence in your art?
2. isnt all this about "challenges"?
onward thru the fog!
obc [/quote] |
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