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 10/29/2010 06:43:28 PM · #76
You have great point of view.
your Dad did what he had to, Just as an example
now, for a second, think about if your Dad ever said how he enjoy killing the hens, and could not wait till morning to go and kill more of them..... however bizarre that sounds, that is what we are talking about....that is the core of "Can Hunt"...(plus a fact that animals usually have claws and teeth cut / pulled , to insure that the brave "hunter" does not get hurt)
just a thought that someone could find that OK is a total puzzle for me....

Originally posted by momsince1980:
We, society, have no connection to our food. We do not equate a hen that lays eggs with the chicken in our nuggets, in our soup, or peripherally that we bake or roast with stuffing.
My dad was a kid of the great Depression and had raised and slaughtered chickens since he was 10. The ordinances in town changed, chickens weren't allowed anymore and we grew up with dads stories, but no chicken raising or killing.
Dh and I bought a small farm in SC, read about chicken raising and ethical and hopefully the least painful way of slaughter. Ha! Even though we felt what we were doing was right, we were respectful to the chickens and allowed them to range the whole farm and only kept them in the henhouse at night, and thanked the hens for their sacrifice---absolutely NO chickens died on our farm.
We are/were wimps, totally and ashamedly. Thank GOD our children have never had to depend on us for meat.
Wimps !
I really believe everyone should have to raise chickens and ethically slaughter and restore that bond between us and our food. I know since the farm, I am more aware of the meat we buy and how much is wasted has been greatly reduced.
10/29/2010 07:47:28 PM · #77
Originally posted by momsince1980:
We, society, have no connection to our food. We do not equate a hen that lays eggs with the chicken in our nuggets, in our soup, or peripherally that we bake or roast with stuffing.
My dad was a kid of the great Depression and had raised and slaughtered chickens since he was 10. The ordinances in town changed, chickens weren't allowed anymore and we grew up with dads stories, but no chicken raising or killing.
Dh and I bought a small farm in SC, read about chicken raising and ethical and hopefully the least painful way of slaughter. Ha! Even though we felt what we were doing was right, we were respectful to the chickens and allowed them to range the whole farm and only kept them in the henhouse at night, and thanked the hens for their sacrifice---absolutely NO chickens died on our farm.
We are/were wimps, totally and ashamedly. Thank GOD our children have never had to depend on us for meat.
Wimps !
I really believe everyone should have to raise chickens and ethically slaughter and restore that bond between us and our food. I know since the farm, I am more aware of the meat we buy and how much is wasted has been greatly reduced.


Here's a story for you... My mother bought myself & my sister a bunch of baby chicks for Easter one year when I was around 10 or 11. We raised them, free ranged them in our rather large yard, played with them, etc. One day came home from school and they were gone. There was a chicken roasting in the oven. Total disconnect, (I was young after all), mom takes the chicken out of the oven puts it on the table to carve up and bursts into tears. She takes the chicken & throws it in the trash and we went out to dinner. I found out later she took them to a friend to butcher and got them back all packaged up. None of them were ever eaten. How do you eat your pets?
 10/29/2010 08:03:06 PM · #78
When someone says "My objection is not so much that (whatever), although I don't care for it at all, but (something else)..." I'm saying I dislike (whatever) but I dislike (something else) even more.

So yes, there's a language barrier. I'm not supporting the idea of staged hunts with tame animals. Not at all.

R.
 10/29/2010 08:26:41 PM · #79
Originally posted by Kelli:
How do you eat your pets?

With some fava beans and a nice chianti.
 10/29/2010 08:37:49 PM · #80
thank you for clearing that .... , you know best what you said.

BTW...here is more info ....//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canned_hunt
I guess its illegal,
some years ago there was a documentary about this kind of hunts in Texas, and I don't wanna ever see it again.
It bothers me that someone would do this. No, I'm not city vegetarian boy. I'v seen plenty blood in my life, on more than one Continent. I'v been shot at countless times, and hit twice. Blood does not bother me, human scum does..

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
When someone says "My objection is not so much that (whatever), although I don't care for it at all, but (something else)..." I'm saying I dislike (whatever) but I dislike (something else) even more.

So yes, there's a language barrier. I'm not supporting the idea of staged hunts with tame animals. Not at all.

R.
10/29/2010 08:54:26 PM · #81
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by momsince1980:
We, society, have no connection to our food. We do not equate a hen that lays eggs with the chicken in our nuggets, in our soup, or peripherally that we bake or roast with stuffing.
My dad was a kid of the great Depression and had raised and slaughtered chickens since he was 10. The ordinances in town changed, chickens weren't allowed anymore and we grew up with dads stories, but no chicken raising or killing.
Dh and I bought a small farm in SC, read about chicken raising and ethical and hopefully the least painful way of slaughter. Ha! Even though we felt what we were doing was right, we were respectful to the chickens and allowed them to range the whole farm and only kept them in the henhouse at night, and thanked the hens for their sacrifice---absolutely NO chickens died on our farm.
We are/were wimps, totally and ashamedly. Thank GOD our children have never had to depend on us for meat.
Wimps !
I really believe everyone should have to raise chickens and ethically slaughter and restore that bond between us and our food. I know since the farm, I am more aware of the meat we buy and how much is wasted has been greatly reduced.


Here's a story for you... My mother bought myself & my sister a bunch of baby chicks for Easter one year when I was around 10 or 11. We raised them, free ranged them in our rather large yard, played with them, etc. One day came home from school and they were gone. There was a chicken roasting in the oven. Total disconnect, (I was young after all), mom takes the chicken out of the oven puts it on the table to carve up and bursts into tears. She takes the chicken & throws it in the trash and we went out to dinner. I found out later she took them to a friend to butcher and got them back all packaged up. None of them were ever eaten. How do you eat your pets?


My son LOVES chickens. He thinks they are the greatest animals that exist. (He's 8). Last Spring, his grandfather bought him 21 chicks and they raised them together. This past Wednesday, a stray dog fell into the chicken coop. One hungry dog and no escape route for the birds made for an easy feast. :( All 21 -- gone.

That night, we were having to do the drive through thing for supper and I asked the kids what they wanted. Their first response was "chicken nuggets" but then changed it to hamburgers. For the first time in their young lives, (8 and 5) they made the connection to the birds in their backyard to the nugget on their plate. (not that fast food nuggets are even chicken, but that is another whole discussion).

And, hunting is still a very important thing around here. I know many families that buy little or no meat at the store, but rather live off of the bear and deer that they can kill. Shooting an animal is not something I can (or perhaps could) do, but I daresay everyone who hunts should not be put in the same category as this yahoo.
 10/29/2010 09:04:47 PM · #82
Insurance company surveys have ascertained that on average, 1.5 million deer are killed on US roads every year, causing about 150 human deaths, and over a billion dollars in damages. What if we didn't have hunting seasons to thin the overpopulated herds that we'vew created by killing off the natural predators and turned their habitat into neighborhoods? Six deer crossed the road in front of me on my way home this evening. I live in rural Pennsylvania, the number one state for highway deer accidents. I don't hunt, never have, but I'll eat venison at your dinner table any time. I've never hit a deer yet driving, and I'm 55, but I've been run into four times by the stupid, scared things. I've been stopped three of the four times, and the fourth, I crossed the other lane, and onto the shoulder on the other side getting out of his way, yet he still managed to dart into the side of my car, dragging his rack down the entire side of my car before he fell. Upon surveying the damage to my car, I turned and went back to retrieve the deer, just in time to see the stunned buck spring to his feet and run off into the woods. I didn't even get to eat the damn thing for the damage he did to my car.

As I said, I live in farm country, and the damage that deer inflict on the landscape and crops is devastating. Where there are too many, they denude all the small trees everywhere and cause erosion, and in extreme cases where the food becomes really scarce in the winter, the herds as a whole starve. Thinning the herds through regulated hunting helps, but this is a situation that we humans have created, so the idea that we shouldn't hunt is actually kind of irresponsible and cruel.

If someone has a better idea, I'm sure there is a huge audience.
 10/29/2010 11:16:36 PM · #83
Originally posted by Basta:
No animal (other than human) could do what sick human mind can come up with...just look at video we are talking about...[quote=PapaBob] [quote=Basta] Humans are the worst animal.


have you ever seen a dog or cat toy with a mouse or squirrel?
 10/29/2010 11:21:52 PM · #84
Originally posted by MegaColor:
I think its absolutely ludicrous that hunting is sport. I will never understand it. I see no pleasure in killing for the sake of killing. I am not against hunting....if you are hunting for food and actually eat and benefit from the kill I see nothing wrong in that. I have hunted and fished and killed other animals for food. Where I think sport hunting is wrong is when it unnecessarily takes the life of another creature for the sake of the kill and there nothing sportsmanlike about it. Thats just sick!!! The men in the video are total trash!!!


THANK YOU!!!
 10/29/2010 11:33:01 PM · #85
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by apercep:
...What makes an animal "bred for food" different? is a horse bred for racing different than one bred for a ranch, or for glue?
Until we can make meat from non-animal derivatives, KILLING will be the way we eat meat. Be it in the wild or slaughterhouse.


Horses are never ever bred only for glue, though I have heard of some European draughts being bred for meat. Sadly, however, many ex-racehorses - Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds alike - are sent to slaughter once their racing days are done. :-( It is no secret that in Japan 75% of all retired TB racehorses are eaten.

So, whenever I am working in the racing industry, I am certainly not blinkered to the eventual end most of them face. I cannot stop it, but I can and do take the best care possible of all racehorses in my care.


At the moment of birth, does an animal know it's destiny? In the moment before death, is it aware of why it is dieing?
 10/29/2010 11:41:55 PM · #86
I have never seen them dress a mouse up before they toy with it.
have you?

Originally posted by apercep:
Originally posted by Basta:
No animal (other than human) could do what sick human mind can come up with...just look at video we are talking about...[quote=PapaBob] [quote=Basta] Humans are the worst animal.


have you ever seen a dog or cat toy with a mouse or squirrel?
10/30/2010 12:15:52 AM · #87
Originally posted by momsince1980:
We, society, have no connection to our food. We do not equate a hen that lays eggs with the chicken in our nuggets, in our soup, or peripherally that we bake or roast with stuffing.
My dad was a kid of the great Depression and had raised and slaughtered chickens since he was 10. The ordinances in town changed, chickens weren't allowed anymore and we grew up with dads stories, but no chicken raising or killing.
Dh and I bought a small farm in SC, read about chicken raising and ethical and hopefully the least painful way of slaughter. Ha! Even though we felt what we were doing was right, we were respectful to the chickens and allowed them to range the whole farm and only kept them in the henhouse at night, and thanked the hens for their sacrifice---absolutely NO chickens died on our farm.
We are/were wimps, totally and ashamedly. Thank GOD our children have never had to depend on us for meat.
Wimps !
I really believe everyone should have to raise chickens and ethically slaughter and restore that bond between us and our food. I know since the farm, I am more aware of the meat we buy and how much is wasted has been greatly reduced.


I was raised on a ranch, and we kept chickens and hogs, and we grew a massive "garden".. I made pets out of the pigs to a certain degree, but when it was time for them to become dinner, I also did what needed to be done, and in keeping with the fact that they were somewhat freinds of mine, I can assure you that they did not suffer.. When it comes to chickens, by far the worst part is the de-feathering, where you dip a dead bird into a drum of boiling water to release the feathers.... I can still smell wet chicken when I think about it...
 10/30/2010 12:19:23 AM · #88
Originally posted by MegaColor:
I think its absolutely ludicrous that hunting is sport. I will never understand it. I see no pleasure in killing for the sake of killing. I am not against hunting....if you are hunting for food and actually eat and benefit from the kill I see nothing wrong in that. I have hunted and fished and killed other animals for food. Where I think sport hunting is wrong is when it unnecessarily takes the life of another creature for the sake of the kill and there nothing sportsmanlike about it. Thats just sick!!! The men in the video are total trash!!!


Just to really be fully honest here, I do think you've missed the importance of varmint hunting, especially on ranches and farmlands. And hell no I'm not going to eat most of those things.

And another fun point, who the hell came up with the idea that animal control's euthanization program is humane? I mean, catch it, scare the shit out of it for a while, then inject it with lethal chemicals.... Really, a slug to the brain case is far more humane.
 10/30/2010 12:20:53 AM · #89
Originally posted by Kelli:
How do you eat your pets?


One bite at a time :)..

(Sorry, but it is true...)
 10/30/2010 12:25:27 AM · #90
Originally posted by Basta:
I have never seen them dress a mouse up before they toy with it.
have you?

Originally posted by apercep:
Originally posted by Basta:
No animal (other than human) could do what sick human mind can come up with...just look at video we are talking about...[quote=PapaBob] [quote=Basta] Humans are the worst animal.


have you ever seen a dog or cat toy with a mouse or squirrel?


Nope, but a cat I have really likes to eat birds while they're alive, it starts at the base of the spine and eats forward so that the bird will continue to make noise and struggle while it's being eaten...

Oh, and if you really want to blur the lines here, have a look at this video, apparently now it's a fad to fry a fish's body leaving it's head out of the oil and eat it while it's still alive, quite awful.
 10/30/2010 02:18:10 AM · #91
<--- Giraffe giblets
 10/30/2010 03:40:50 AM · #92
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
<--- Giraffe giblets


Give me some of that....
 10/30/2010 11:19:10 AM · #93
You know what Giraffe giblets really are don't you? Ever hear of calf fries?
 10/30/2010 01:21:36 PM · #94
Originally posted by David Ey:
You know what Giraffe giblets really are don't you? Ever hear of calf fries?


Happens to me every time I go to the beach...
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