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10/20/2010 06:36:02 PM · #27

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I've never seen so many DNMCs... wow... (not voting yet, just looking.)

I just looked through the entries (although I haven't voted yet). I don't know how you can say that. I don't think I saw any DNMC. The challenge was to convey sound. It didn't say it had to be a loud sound, didn't say it had to be music, just said to convey sound. Some sounds are loud, some are barely there. I could hear something in every photo I looked at.

Amen. I actually don't think it's possible for a photo to be DNMC in this challenge. I think it's reasonable to take every photograph on faith, as the photographer's legitimate attempt to convey some part of the nature or essence or specificity or *something* of sound.

But then again. being deaf and all I may have a different perspective on this than most of you. You know what "loud" is to me? Wind. That's what.

I too Bear am significantly deaf (been wearing hearing aids since I was 9) but I tend to agree a little with vawendy in that some of these images portray potential sound or even silence. However, as I have already finished voting, I will re-visit every photo I voted lower to see if a true effort (in my opinion) was made to portray sound and not just try to shoehorn in a nice photo by its title. I will be more open-minded and adjust my votes accordingly.
R.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/20/2010 06:40:37 PM · #28

Originally posted by Louis:

Personal question -- have you been deaf your whole life? Do you have any hearing?

Since age 2, 1949. Relatively recently I got a cochlear implant, so I am able to hear sounds now, although not at a very high level, and not well enough that I can forgo lipreading. All my life I've been a lipreader, and for most of it I was totally deaf.

R.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/20/2010 06:48:21 PM · #29

Originally posted by Abra:

I too Bear am significantly deaf (been wearing hearing aids since I was 9) but I tend to agree a little with vawendy in that some of these images portray potential sound or even silence. However, as I have already finished voting, I will re-visit every photo I voted lower to see if a true effort (in my opinion) was made to portray sound and not just try to shoehorn in a nice photo by its title. I will be more open-minded and adjust my votes accordingly.

This is just my own personal approach, but I don't spend much energy anymore trying to determine whether an image is a "shoehorn" or a good-faith, out-of-the-box take on the topic. I've entered too many images in good faith myself that might seem, to the casual eye, to have at best a marginal connection to the challenge topic. Some of us just don't think the way some of the rest of us do, and I think that's wonderful. So I try to enjoy things on their own merits, whilst assuming good faith on the part of the creator.

I will, however, give "bonus points" in scoring to what seem to me to be particularly apt, and creative, takes on the topic. I figure the "obvious" images are going to do just fine without my overt support, so I rarely give them my highest votes, although when they are very well done I do give them high scores. No, I reserve my highest votes, usually, for whatever strikes me as wildly creative, contrarian, demented, incisive, treasonous, deceptive, plangently obscure, elusive, or hard to grasp.

R.

Message edited by author 2010-10-20 18:49:17.

Abra

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

10/20/2010 06:59:36 PM · #30

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Abra:
I too Bear am significantly deaf (been wearing hearing aids since I was 9) but I tend to agree a little with vawendy in that some of these images portray potential sound or even silence. However, as I have already finished voting, I will re-visit every photo I voted lower to see if a true effort (in my opinion) was made to portray sound and not just try to shoehorn in a nice photo by its title. I will be more open-minded and adjust my votes accordingly.

This is just my own personal approach, but I don't spend much energy anymore trying to determine whether an image is a "shoehorn" or a good-faith, out-of-the-box take on the topic. I've entered too many images in good faith myself that might seem, to the casual eye, to have at best a marginal connection to the challenge topic. Some of us just don't think the way some of the rest of us do, and I think that's wonderful. So I try to enjoy things on their own merits, whilst assuming good faith on the part of the creator.

I will, however, give "bonus points" in scoring to what seem to me to be particularly apt, and creative, takes on the topic. I figure the "obvious" images are going to do just fine without my overt support, so I rarely give them my highest votes, although when they are very well done I do give them high scores. No, I reserve my highest votes, usually, for whatever strikes me as wildly creative, contrarian, demented, incisive, treasonous, deceptive, plangently obscure, elusive, or hard to grasp.

R.

I hear you Bear (hehe). This is how I scored first time (and with blinkers):

Stats: You have rated 85 of 85 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.3294.

My lowest score given was a 3 and highest a 9. I will re-judge each shot and bump those I may have been unfair with. I'll let you know if my average changes.

My shot is doing much better than I had thought:
Votes: 70
Views: 119
Avg Vote: 5.9143
Comments: 0

bcenu

Canon EOS-40D

10/20/2010 07:19:02 PM · #31

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

I just looked through the entries (although I haven't voted yet). I don't know how you can say that. I don't think I saw any DNMC. The challenge was to convey sound. It didn't say it had to be a loud sound, didn't say it had to be music, just said to convey sound. Some sounds are loud, some are barely there. I could hear something in every photo I looked at.

Amen. I actually don't think it's possible for a photo to be DNMC in this challenge. I think it's reasonable to take every photograph on faith, as the photographer's legitimate attempt to convey some part of the nature or essence or specificity or *something* of sound.

But then again. being deaf and all I may have a different perspective on this than most of you. You know what "loud" is to me? Wind. That's what.

R.

Until reading this post I was about to self DQ my entry in this challege.
Bear expressed my views to a tee and I agree.
Although I personally may not see a shot as meeting a challenge, I tend to vote on the merits of the photo first and, if it looks a definite shoe horn, maybe a vote less for it's challenge merit. (but only in cases where it is a definite shoe horn)
I'll leave my entry to suffer it's fate but it is good to hear some of the reassuring views of other members.

Message edited by author 2010-10-20 19:20:44.

Abra

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/21/2010 04:53:28 AM · #32

Originally posted by Abra:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Abra:
I too Bear am significantly deaf (been wearing hearing aids since I was 9) but I tend to agree a little with vawendy in that some of these images portray potential sound or even silence. However, as I have already finished voting, I will re-visit every photo I voted lower to see if a true effort (in my opinion) was made to portray sound and not just try to shoehorn in a nice photo by its title. I will be more open-minded and adjust my votes accordingly.

This is just my own personal approach, but I don't spend much energy anymore trying to determine whether an image is a "shoehorn" or a good-faith, out-of-the-box take on the topic. I've entered too many images in good faith myself that might seem, to the casual eye, to have at best a marginal connection to the challenge topic. Some of us just don't think the way some of the rest of us do, and I think that's wonderful. So I try to enjoy things on their own merits, whilst assuming good faith on the part of the creator.

I will, however, give "bonus points" in scoring to what seem to me to be particularly apt, and creative, takes on the topic. I figure the "obvious" images are going to do just fine without my overt support, so I rarely give them my highest votes, although when they are very well done I do give them high scores. No, I reserve my highest votes, usually, for whatever strikes me as wildly creative, contrarian, demented, incisive, treasonous, deceptive, plangently obscure, elusive, or hard to grasp.

R.

I hear you Bear (hehe). This is how I scored first time (and with blinkers):

Stats: You have rated 85 of 85 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (13%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.3294.

My lowest score given was a 3 and highest a 9. I will re-judge each shot and bump those I may have been unfair with. I'll let you know if my average changes.

My shot is doing much better than I had thought:
Votes: 70
Views: 119
Avg Vote: 5.9143
Comments: 0

OK, I've revisited the photos and made some adjustments:
You have rated 85 of 85 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 13 images (15%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.8588.

Several of you out there should have gotten a bump in your scores.

as for mine:
Votes: 85
Views: 150
Avg Vote: 5.8000
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0

Last two votes were both 3's - Karma??

10/21/2010 06:04:44 AM · #33

I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

Message edited by author 2010-10-21 06:11:41.

NiallOTuama

Google Pixel 2

10/21/2010 07:12:24 AM · #34

Originally posted by vawendy:

I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

Perhaps that's why my scoring's down low.

Votes: 80
Views: 151
Avg Vote: 5.0250
Comments: 2

It's in the range (5-5.3) that I expected, but alas at the lower end!

Cuttooth

Canon EOS R

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

10/21/2010 08:43:24 AM · #35

my score just screams average
did get a very nice critical comment though

Votes: 82
Views: 153
Avg Vote: 5.5000
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0

dswann

Nikon D7000

10/21/2010 09:04:40 AM · #36

Voters have been tough since last night! My score has fallen 0.14 over the last 12 votes.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

10/21/2010 09:25:19 AM · #37

Originally posted by vawendy:

I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

10/21/2010 09:32:23 AM · #38

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

Message edited by author 2010-10-21 09:38:54.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

10/21/2010 10:03:15 AM · #39

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

just noticed my typo it should say there is sound in a graveyard ;-)

OK....so your saying there has to be people in the libarary in order for there to be sound? (excluding the air/heater issue) That leads me to ask the question....if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

10/21/2010 10:13:15 AM · #40

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

just noticed my typo it should say there is sound in a graveyard ;-)

OK....so your saying there has to be people in the libarary in order for there to be sound? (excluding the air/heater issue) That leads me to ask the question....if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

lol. yup -- I'm of the opinion that it makes a sound, even though, technically, by definition it doesn't.

However, something has to make a sound. If there's a mouse in the library, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that there's a mouse if I can't see it. If a book is precariously placed and falls on its own, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that it's happening if I don't see it. If I see computers in the library, I'll assume that the fan is running, and yes, that's making a sound. But if I don't see anything in the library that's even remotely possible of making a sound without someone or something working with it, the picture's not going to convey sound to me unless that someone or something is there.

We're probably getting too detailed in our discussion, but I'd be happy to take it off-line.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

10/21/2010 10:21:44 AM · #41

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

just noticed my typo it should say there is sound in a graveyard ;-)

OK....so your saying there has to be people in the libarary in order for there to be sound? (excluding the air/heater issue) That leads me to ask the question....if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

lol. yup -- I'm of the opinion that it makes a sound, even though, technically, by definition it doesn't.

However, something has to make a sound. If there's a mouse in the library, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that there's a mouse if I can't see it. If a book is precariously placed and falls on its own, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that it's happening if I don't see it. If I see computers in the library, I'll assume that the fan is running, and yes, that's making a sound. But if I don't see anything in the library that's even remotely possible of making a sound without someone or something working with it, the picture's not going to convey sound to me unless that someone or something is there.

We're probably getting too detailed in our discussion, but I'd be happy to take it off-line.

yeah, pretty detailed I reckon....just picking your brain :-)
so what I'm getting from you is....you don't think "quite" or "silence" is a sound?

10/21/2010 10:34:06 AM · #42

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

just noticed my typo it should say there is sound in a graveyard ;-)

OK....so your saying there has to be people in the libarary in order for there to be sound? (excluding the air/heater issue) That leads me to ask the question....if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

lol. yup -- I'm of the opinion that it makes a sound, even though, technically, by definition it doesn't.

However, something has to make a sound. If there's a mouse in the library, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that there's a mouse if I can't see it. If a book is precariously placed and falls on its own, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that it's happening if I don't see it. If I see computers in the library, I'll assume that the fan is running, and yes, that's making a sound. But if I don't see anything in the library that's even remotely possible of making a sound without someone or something working with it, the picture's not going to convey sound to me unless that someone or something is there.

We're probably getting too detailed in our discussion, but I'd be happy to take it off-line.

yeah, pretty detailed I reckon....just picking your brain :-)
so what I'm getting from you is....you don't think "quite" or "silence" is a sound?

Quite is definitely not a sound :)

Nope - silence is lack of sound. Dictionary definition of silence: "Silence is the relative or total lack of audible sound."

Message edited by author 2010-10-21 10:34:38.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

10/21/2010 10:47:18 AM · #43

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

just noticed my typo it should say there is sound in a graveyard ;-)

OK....so your saying there has to be people in the libarary in order for there to be sound? (excluding the air/heater issue) That leads me to ask the question....if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

lol. yup -- I'm of the opinion that it makes a sound, even though, technically, by definition it doesn't.

However, something has to make a sound. If there's a mouse in the library, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that there's a mouse if I can't see it. If a book is precariously placed and falls on its own, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that it's happening if I don't see it. If I see computers in the library, I'll assume that the fan is running, and yes, that's making a sound. But if I don't see anything in the library that's even remotely possible of making a sound without someone or something working with it, the picture's not going to convey sound to me unless that someone or something is there.

We're probably getting too detailed in our discussion, but I'd be happy to take it off-line.

yeah, pretty detailed I reckon....just picking your brain :-)
so what I'm getting from you is....you don't think "quite" or "silence" is a sound?

Quite is definitely not a sound :)

Nope - silence is lack of sound. Dictionary definition of silence: "Silence is the relative or total lack of audible sound."

OK, if you wanna go by the dictionary! :-)
(but I think quite/silence is a sound) lol

keyz

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G

10/21/2010 11:01:31 AM · #44

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I understand where you're coming from. But the challenge was to convey sound, not imply sound.

I guess it just depends on your definition of sound. I always thought sound was anything you could hear; no matter how loud or soft. There is sound in a libary, there is sound during a moment of silence, there is a graveyard....

I don't particularly care about the strength of the sound. There is sound in a library if there are people in it, flipping pages, taking books off shelves, even moving around. But in an empty library, there is no sound, unless you're assuming that there's a loud air conditioner, but right now, most of the buildings around here have neither heat nor air conditioning running, simply because it's that time of year where the inside temp doesn't kick on the heat or air (and it gets stuffy.)

just noticed my typo it should say there is sound in a graveyard ;-)

OK....so your saying there has to be people in the libarary in order for there to be sound? (excluding the air/heater issue) That leads me to ask the question....if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?

lol. yup -- I'm of the opinion that it makes a sound, even though, technically, by definition it doesn't.

However, something has to make a sound. If there's a mouse in the library, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that there's a mouse if I can't see it. If a book is precariously placed and falls on its own, it makes a sound, but I'm not going to assume that it's happening if I don't see it. If I see computers in the library, I'll assume that the fan is running, and yes, that's making a sound. But if I don't see anything in the library that's even remotely possible of making a sound without someone or something working with it, the picture's not going to convey sound to me unless that someone or something is there.

We're probably getting too detailed in our discussion, but I'd be happy to take it off-line.

yeah, pretty detailed I reckon....just picking your brain :-)
so what I'm getting from you is....you don't think "quite" or "silence" is a sound?

Quite is definitely not a sound :)

Nope - silence is lack of sound. Dictionary definition of silence: "Silence is the relative or total lack of audible sound."

OK, if you wanna go by the dictionary! :-)
(but I think quite/silence is a sound) lol

I just want to quote the big quote ...

Originally posted by wikipedia:

Sound is a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations.

I actually love to listen the silence, so you can ear ... the lack of sound.

If there is a color challenge and your entry is B&W ... does the lack of color gives color to the picture ? :D

10/21/2010 11:10:56 AM · #45

Originally posted by Luci11e:

OK, if you wanna go by the dictionary! :-)
(but I think quite/silence is a sound) lol

awww... you missed me picking on your misspelling! What fun is that?

Quite is not a sound!

(you may think that quiet is, however)

:P

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

10/21/2010 11:22:02 AM · #46

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Luci11e:

OK, if you wanna go by the dictionary! :-)
(but I think quite/silence is a sound) lol

awww... you missed me picking on your misspelling! What fun is that?

Quite is not a sound!

(you may think that quiet is, however)

:P

Girl! I spell so badly and have so many typos I rarely notice anything like that!
Quite is to a sound! ;-)

keyz you're too funny - quoting the big quote - lol

edited to spell quite correctly! LOL

Message edited by author 2010-10-21 12:48:02.

MinsoPhoto

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

10/21/2010 12:24:16 PM · #47

Woot a Fav.

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Comments: 3
Favorites: 1

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

10/21/2010 07:22:05 PM · #48

Votes: 96
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Avg Vote: 6.2500
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
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Updated: 10/21/10 07:19 pm

40D started pretty good ;)

Cuttooth

Canon EOS R