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06/29/2004 02:32:40 AM · #1 |
does anyone with a D70 seem to have a problem getting very good colors from their camera? i guess i should be more specific... most my shots come out looking like they have been under exposed. like there is to much light. the color is very bland and not very vibrant. now these shots were taken on autofocus, but id think it should be able to take better auto shots than this. ive posted examples of what i mean. all pics were taken on bright sunny days. i know the pics arent the best comparisons. the Olympus camera shot has a much more colorful background but i hope you can see what i mean still. any ideas? (note. these are just snap shots. no quality pics here hehe)
Nikon D70 pics:
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Taken with Olympus 4 megapixel Olympus point and Shoot
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Message edited by author 2004-06-29 02:55:46. |
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06/29/2004 02:50:09 AM · #2 |
Personally, I havent noticed it.. but some people have mentioned this previously. You can fix this by uploading a new tonal curve into your camera. Not sure how to do it, but I do remember seeing a link on these forums somewhere.
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06/29/2004 02:52:09 AM · #3 |
Nate the only shot i can see (DSC 0011) is so painfully overexposed you can't blame your poor D70 for the color quality. It's washed out because it's trying not to blow out the highlights on the mountains in the background. Try using center-weighted or spot metering instead of matrix, and you'll be much happier.
I'd upload some pix i took yesterday to show you, but app'rently the boys have run out of hard-drive space. but trust me...the D70 makes great color, even right out of the box.
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06/29/2004 02:52:21 AM · #4 |
It's all about the white balance. That said you can adjust the photos in photoshop and they get bolder. Are you in full auto mode? aperture priority? shutter priority? I find I get the best colors from my camera in manual mode, or forcing the aperture / shutter I want versus letting the camera do it for me.
One other thing that will help your colors if available is taking the shots in Adobe RGB 1998. You'll need to convert the files to get the extra colors to show up on the internet etc, but I find it's worth it. It really does add a lot of richness to the colors. |
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06/29/2004 02:52:25 AM · #5 |
thanks for the ideas. i read the manual once, but ill pay more attention to the white balance section.
nate
Message edited by author 2004-06-29 02:57:16. |
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06/29/2004 02:53:26 AM · #6 |
pibbel
Message edited by author 2004-06-29 02:56:53. |
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06/29/2004 03:38:21 AM · #7 |
I have a tonal curve (White Wedding) from an online guy. Brings up the midtones.
I have my D70 set to the Adobe RGB for when it is in MSA or P mode. I also have the settings (tone, saturation, sharpening) almost set to none. I like to try to shoot in RAW alot, so I change what I want then. Shooting jpg it works well also, becuase I do the sharpening and boost color if needed.
Here! are some shots I was experimenting with. No color boost (they are more vibrant off web, too), just a little sharpening (and diffusion on some portrait like shots). Unfortunately I forgot to change over to the White Wedding curve to do some comparison, too many beers, I think! (C:
I also keep the meter at the 8mm center weighted most of the time. Then my subject is properly exposed for sure. As mentioned the 3D Matrix is good, but more for snapshots in my opinion.
Good tone curves info
Where I got the White Wedding and good info.
Message edited by author 2004-06-29 03:40:52.
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06/29/2004 03:54:02 AM · #8 |
I think the examples you have given are difficult to go by,
to me they are all awkward metering shots, with the harsh light and vast skies. The 015 one has some wonderful colour in the foreground, it is just a tad under exposed due to the sky.
I am saving (slowly) and hope to get the D70 or, dare I mention it here EOS 300D in the future so I hope I am correct in my opinion.
Maybe you could post other examples in a different environment,
Paul.
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06/29/2004 04:58:06 AM · #9 |
I think you are dealing with an error called id-10T LOL....
Just read the manual:D
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06/29/2004 07:04:10 AM · #10 |
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06/29/2004 09:30:16 AM · #11 |
It's probably an exposure issue. But there are a couple of things to check.
- verify your optimize image setting.
- verify what color space you are telling the camera to use.
- verify white balance
The D70 (or any dSLR) is designed for max user control.
Clara
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06/29/2004 09:58:50 AM · #12 |
I use to have my white balance set to auto almost all the time and found a lot of my shots out of the camera to be lacking color too. I recently read an article by Moose Peterson that suggests using a Cloudy -3 white balance. I tried it, and sure enough there were more 'warm' colors in the shot than the cold colors of auto wb.
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06/29/2004 01:42:52 PM · #13 |
thanks for all the helpful tips everyone. I havnt tried using the Optimize Image feature yet and they seem like they could help alot. so ill throw around all these ideas and see what works best for me. Id like to get my pictures to the point where im at least decently happy with them without photoshopping them because i find the more photoshop you do to fix it the the worse the picture quality is. For touching up the color its great, but FIXING color that just isnt right, it doesnt look natural. I think the two things that will help the most is getting away from the matrix metering and trying the Optimizing Image options. They dont explain really what a NEF (RAW) file is.. i see its bigger, and can only be viewed in certain programs. but could someone explain what exactly what that file is and whats better about it vs. a JPEG? thanks for all the help!
Nate
p.s. how do i install a custom tonal curve. cant find it in the manual or on the website.
Message edited by author 2004-06-29 14:12:12. |
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06/29/2004 02:19:43 PM · #14 |
You need to use Nikon Capture to install it. The sites I linked below tell you how to do it.
As for RAW...I find it really helps when you are unsure of the lighting condition and/or mixed lighting. You are able to adjust that in the RAW converter (Adobe RAAW on PS). Also it gives you much more control over color balance, shadows, exposure, sharpening-I still do that WITHIN the program though, contrast, etc. You can even vignette or "erase" some vignetting. This shot was in RAW and adjusted mostly through Adobe Camera RAW to get it to its "real" color. Some slight dodging and burning done.
Wish I would have used it for the upcoming challenges, just thought it was too cool to wait! DAMN!!!
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06/29/2004 02:37:32 PM · #15 |
i only recieved Nikon Picture Project with my camera. do i have to purchase Nikon Capture? Oh an i also cant figure out for the life of me how to put it in Adobe RGB mode either. sorry for all the questions... but the manual doesnt explain some of these things...
Nate
Message edited by author 2004-06-29 14:41:59. |
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06/29/2004 02:58:38 PM · #16 |
You can download the newest Nikon Capture and trial for 30 days at NikonUSA.com.
The Adobe Color space is located in Menu/Shooting Menu/Optimize Image/Custom/Color Mode.
And I have read the manual a few times and find it very helpful. (C: |
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