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06/24/2004 02:40:41 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by bethany_marie_23:
I really don't see what he did wrong. I wouldn't mind if my photo was placed up here and said this was the worst photo ever. Who cares...I guess if you really want to learn you won't mind.
You're missing the point...Honestly, I don't care what his opionion of my picture is either, and I wouldn't care if he posted it to the whole world to say it was horrible. But you just said that you thought someone should have been suspended for saying what he thought of GW's picture...but at the same time you didn't seem to be bothered at all by Gw's comments about other's photos. It was just kind of strange....maybe it was tongue-in-cheek and I just didn't get it, I don't know. |
CLICK ! You are shot ! |
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06/24/2004 02:45:49 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by oskar:
Well GW
Tell me something about this photo
You have been a photographer for 36 years, I've been one for 2. Still I'm able to that this photo is an horrible shot. The background is really stupid and I know that even I could do better, then when I write my thought about this shot, (which are not unfair, the shot is terrible), then you go crying like a little baby. If you have been taken so bad photos for 36 years I would have though you should be used to people talking badly of you photos and you should mark them words and try to learn from them. For example in this fish shot, mind you background. The comment I left on this shot is just in you spirit of "helpful" comments. When you say that people only should give those "nice shot" comments to avoid angry people, that is so not true, you just have to be careful how you put things, guide people, don't trash them down. It's just like in real life, you have to communucate with respect for others. |
You are way out of line here. I think you should be suspended for this! |
Ok, you are right, I was way out of line, I've been sleeping to little and been in a very bad mood. I know that it doesn't give me the right to act like this, I have now edited out all of my comments on GW photos and would like to apologize to him for my outburst. I have realized I was childish and not behaving like people should do. GW, I'm sorry !
BUT (ohh yehh there is a but), though I'm drawing my words back, I still believe he should also look at him self and try to change a bit.
(edit: typo (one of many, English is not my best ))
Message edited by author 2004-06-24 15:11:05. |
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06/24/2004 03:08:37 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by oskar:
Ok, you are right, I was way out of line, I've been sleeping to little and been in a very bad mood. I know that it doesn't give me the right to act like this, I have no edited out all of my comments on GW photos and would like to apologize to him for my outburst. I have realized I was childish and not behaving like people should do. GW, I'm sorry ! |
Ahhh, now we are on the road to healing... Group Hug! I'll take a soda too ;-)
But seriously, Oskar, thank you for your post!
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06/24/2004 03:47:55 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Anyone wants beer ?
I have solution for this:
Let's have DPC GTG at Gillete Wyoming on July 4 TH !
GW supporters on west side of Main Street and opponents on East.
At noon everyone start shooting (with camera of course ).
The loser side buys beer to the winner side ! |
How about soda. I don't drink beer. eww... |
Is it any cute landscapes there besides the Tetons ? |
I don't know about cute, but there is some awesome landscapes here. Tetons don't rule Wyoming. :-P Come on over and see for yourself. :-))
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06/24/2004 04:24:20 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by digistoune:
Number 1:
I hate censorship. I believe that as Americans we are privileged to have the right to speak our minds in whatever way we see fit. Do some abuse that privilege? You betcha! But that is part of the deal and you won't have one without the other. Is the DPC site the appropriate venue to let loose your uninhibited rantings, users' feelings be damned? I don't think so!
Number 2:
You CAN be direct AND honest without being cruel, rude, or profane. If you are unable to differentiate then I, for one, wish the DPC site council would take a most expedient stand against such offenders that would include an across the board ban from the site, period. Harsh? Yes but the punishment fits the crime. As a registered user who is considering becoming a member, threads like this one give me reason to pause. What about someone new who hasn't yet discovered how wonderful this site and the people who frequent it can be? Do you think they are going to become members? Would you? In this way, inappropriate behavior brings direct harm to DPC and should be dealt with swiftly.
Number 3:
Have you ever had a friend or family member do something forehead-smacking-stupid (which we all do at one time or another)? Have you ever said to them, "what were you thinking?" I'll bet you have. I'll bet you've even said it to yourself. Did you mean anything cruel by it? Of course not! Did any of you ever stop to think that maybe that's all Kevin meant when he wrote, "what were you thinking?" We don't know if he said it in jest or if he meant to be harmful because of the medium of communication used. We are not able to judge by a tone of voice, for example. So maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, writing a blatant "your picture is stupid" or "you suck" is perfectly clear. The writers of such posts should at the very least be warned that continued harassment will not be tolerated - ever! |
I am SOOO confused, digistoune! Your #1 is that you hate censorship but then you go on to say how people should be punished because they are speaking their minds! (See the sections I bolded)
#1 you say: I think we should tolerate everyone and everything they do. You can't say that and then say it's appropriate in only certain settings, it just doesn't mesh.
I don't mean this as a personal attack in any way, I just am saying that I can't see how those two fit together, I reread what you said in #1 like 5 times trying to check that I hadn't read it wrongly before I posted.
I've read through his comments. Some were very helpful, some were on the edge, and some were just rude. I'm interested to see what comes up from "Desaturation," perhaps their anger is justified? However, their actions never are.
*sighs*
I don't care if they were/are angry, grow up! Thank you oskar for editing your comments.
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06/24/2004 04:30:14 PM · #81 |
| Ok....freedom of speech is our right here in America as well other some Countries.....However, it's not ok to verbal abuse (in general) or to degrade people for what they believe in or do...unless, it is not right or illegal in mind..... (shooting a photo that doesn't meet your qualities won't abide here) Speak your mind, but not to offend others....if it is found to be offensive to others in the majority rule...then there seems to be an act on your part to change the way you phrase things and behave...wither it's on this site or anywhere in your community.....We have rights of speech, but not the right to put others down and degrade them for what ever means...they still deserve respect....wither you agree with them or not.....Golden Rule Number One: Treat others as you want to be treated..... |
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06/24/2004 04:38:01 PM · #82 |
While the US Congress is forbidden from passing any law prohibiting free speech, DPC is a completely private enterprise and is pretty much able to set any desired ground rules for communications.
Even in the "real world" your right to "free speech" does not include the right to libel, slander, or defame others, nor to incite possible harm towards others. |
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06/24/2004 05:18:38 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by fstopopen:
aren't you people bored with this yet?
drake |
It's not really intertainment for me, but a neat little study of human behavior on-line....However, it beats the hell out the Presidential Campaine and the Iraq coverage...what's left? Right winged Hollywood movies and shows on Prime Time....ahhh,
I'm going to shoot some photos of stupid geese again in my back yard pond and relax.......Perhaps, ponder on "what was I thinking" when I married my psycho wife, now ex-wife.....:) Now THAT deserves a "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING" not for a photo....depends on how you see things.... |
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06/24/2004 05:44:16 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Ami Yuy:
[quote=digistoune] Number 1:
I hate censorship. I believe that as Americans we are privileged to have the right to speak our minds in whatever way we see fit. Do some abuse that privilege? You betcha! But that is part of the deal and you won't have one without the other. Is the DPC site the appropriate venue to let loose your uninhibited rantings, users' feelings be damned? I don't think so!
I am SOOO confused, digistoune! Your #1 is that you hate censorship but then you go on to say how people should be punished because they are speaking their minds! (See the sections I bolded) |
I can understand why you might be confused, Ami. Please see the sentence in bold above. I also should have added that while I do hate censorship, it might not be a bad idea to utilize it here as GeneralE was so kind to point out...
Even in the "real world" your right to "free speech" does not include the right to libel, slander, or defame others, nor to incite possible harm towards others. |
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06/24/2004 05:55:04 PM · #85 |
"You have a high tech digital camera and the entire month of March to take a decent picture - and the best you could do was the top of some lumber from Home Depot? It's the photographer that makes the picture - you need to work on your creativity or start visiting places where interesting things happen you can photogpraph!" -GW
Please, how is this supposed to be constructive? He may as well have said "Don't do that ever again, you non-creative, non-dedicated non-photographer." Personally, I really like the picture. I like abstracts. I like color. I like simple composition. I would freakin' frame it and put it in my house somewhere if I had taken it.
I'm adding to this thread, perhaps doing exactly what GW wants, but I have a reason. There's such a thing as owning your own words and opinions. When I'm critical, and I can be intensely critical, I try to make sure that I'm expressing *my opinion* and not pretending that my version of reality is the only version of reality.
For example:
"I don't know how much of this was done with lighting, and that detracts from the image for me, it feels more painted than photographed"
"I like simple abstract images, but I like them really obsessive... the ridge on the left is closer to the edge of the picture than the one on the right. Also, the circular hole just kisses the edge, which feels awkward to me... if you cropped off just a touch of the right side it would address both of those issues and polish the composition, I think."
Notice the use of "to me", "for me", and "I think". I'm also fond of "in my opinion", "I would", "I like", and "I don't like". Is it really so hard to position comments as an opinion? To not dictate, but suggest what you would have done differently?
Now, since I'm so very juvenile and just can't resist:
GW, if you're such a perfectionist who knows everything because you've been there and done that, could you at least put as much care into the wording of your absurdly negative comments, both here in the forums and on the individual pictures you vote on? Or does all the frothy saliva on your screen keep you from effectively proofing your bitchy missives? I would think that someone who apparently cares so much about quality would try to apply it across a broader spectrum, not just your world-shattering pictures of five cent fish. It's a sign of respect, after all.
- Mousie, a language Nazi, when convenient.
Message edited by author 2004-06-24 17:57:50.
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06/24/2004 07:25:55 PM · #86 |
| the difference in this whole argument depends on if you have personally seen one of his comments on the current challenge. after the challenge is over people will be able to see and understand why one side is so upset. the comments he has left in the past aren't like the ones he currently is leaving. |
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06/24/2004 08:09:05 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Glacierwolf:
For all of those who have spoken here or emailed me asking to 'tone down' my comments and change my writting style.......... I invite you to please visit my profile and see the comments that have just recently been left by a half dozen individuals on all my pictures and past entires. |
To those who went and wrote bad comments on GW's pictures:
If you did not feel strong enough to leave the comment when the challenge was going on, don't go off in a huff and leave nasty ones now. Use that energy to leave more comments (helpful ones, of course) on more pictures in the current challenges. Don't you feel a little silly wasting your commenting time this way?
It's a bit silly to let your anger make you do something you would not have done otherwise. Even if you were insulted by a comment he might have left you or on his earlier forum, chalk it up to a bad day (or three), don't mark it helpful (unless, underneath the perceived lack of tact, it was) and move on.
drg |
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06/24/2004 08:22:15 PM · #88 |
Has anyone noticed that He started this thread and then abandoned it. He has yet to reply to anyone's comments. I recommend shutting down the thread.
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06/24/2004 08:32:34 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
Has anyone noticed that He started this thread and then abandoned it. He has yet to reply to anyone's comments. I recommend shutting down the thread. |
I'll second that. Besides they're having a heck of alot more fun in the "What Were You Thinking" rant ;-) |
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06/24/2004 08:34:22 PM · #90 |
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06/24/2004 08:36:12 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by digistoune:
Originally posted by aerogurl:
Has anyone noticed that He started this thread and then abandoned it. He has yet to reply to anyone's comments. I recommend shutting down the thread. |
I'll second that. Besides they're having a heck of alot more fun in the "What Were You Thinking" rant ;-) |
By posting your comment you've bumped the thread back to the top, as well as indicating a certain level of continuing interest on the part of the forum-reading public ... dare I say it ... WWYT? :) |
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06/24/2004 09:47:29 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by nborton:
the difference in this whole argument depends on if you have personally seen one of his comments on the current challenge. after the challenge is over people will be able to see and understand why one side is so upset. the comments he has left in the past aren't like the ones he currently is leaving. |
I got a comment and didn't find it offending.
I do think there is a better way of expressing yourself, but in the end...to me it is all the same. I would rather have a comment like his then a comment that says "nice"...or "does this really meet the challenge" People complain they don't get comments and then people complain when they do get a comment that is a bit to harsh. I really feel like comment on people photos that are not very good, but I know they will throw a fit, because it has happened before...so I don't even comment on bad photos that much.
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06/26/2004 10:48:04 AM · #93 |
To everyone involved in this situation:
This has gotten out of hand. Drop it now, preferrably removing anything you've done that one might consider rude. Further action may result in suspension. Consider this your warning :) |
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