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07/17/2010 02:11:15 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Simms:
SC, can I have confirmation this will be OK with you guys? Do I need to submit a ticket? |
I'd bet you run stop signs regularly yeah?
ETA: No real offense intended, but dammit man, rules are rules, follow or not, but there is a price to pay should you be found to have not followed the rules.. *shrug* I know we all want to be forgiving, but - rules are indeed rules.. How is it at all fair to say that a rule can be broken, but only enforced selectively? That's simply ludicrous.. |
Cory,
You apparently don't know Simms very well; this sort of satirical post is his metier. It's no more to be taken seriously than was Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal.
R. |
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07/17/2010 02:12:53 PM · #27 |
But wasn't the overlay part taken in a different month? Seems there are several violations....not just one.
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by kirbic:
The Advanced Rules allow for textures, which are *always* external sources of image data (whether or not the user used one of his own images, another person's, or built-in textures in software), and are *not* required to be shot within the submission dates. |
As explained during the SC discussion on this image, "Texture filters, like glow filters, are fine. Texture overlays (pasting another photo over your entry), are illegal for the same reason pasting an image of the sun into your entry to create a glow would be illegal. Similarly, vignettes are legal in Advanced, but you can't paste a photo shot through a tunnel on top of your entry to create that effect. The only allowance for combining multiple files is when the framed scene doesn't change."
Some Photoshop filters use external data to work their magic, but not as a straight overlay. A brushstroke or texturizer filter uses such images as a mask to manipulate the single photo you're working on. They do NOT simply paste one over the other like a multiple exposure, and the results are entirely different. |
I'm just going to call this what it is, semantic BS. The end effect was a subtle texture, and regardless of how it was applied, the end result is what counts in Advanced. If that is not the case, then re-work the Advanced Rules entirely to make it *clear* that they are *not* results-based, but process-based. |
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07/17/2010 02:14:02 PM · #28 |
Or ken skid lens cap dining.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Simms:
SC, can I have confirmation this will be OK with you guys? Do I need to submit a ticket? |
I'd bet you run stop signs regularly yeah?
ETA: No real offense intended, but dammit man, rules are rules, follow or not, but there is a price to pay should you be found to have not followed the rules.. *shrug* I know we all want to be forgiving, but - rules are indeed rules.. How is it at all fair to say that a rule can be broken, but only enforced selectively? That's simply ludicrous.. |
Cory,
You apparently don't know Simms very well; this sort of satirical post is his metier. It's no more to be taken seriously than was Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal.
R. |
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07/17/2010 02:51:38 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Simms:
Not sure why it took so long to DQ, I called it on the day of rollover.
Leave the validation to me, I don't need to see RAW files and steps taken, let me make the call and that should be enough for anyone - theres too much red tape and fannying around. As long as I know who took the image then that will speed things up as well, because some users are far more trustworthy than others.
Like the death penalty, sometimes a few innocent ones will get caught up with the wrong`uns, but overall justice will be served.
Keep it simple!
SC, can I have confirmation this will be OK with you guys? Do I need to submit a ticket? |
I'd bet you run stop signs regularly yeah?
ETA: No real offense intended, but dammit man, rules are rules, follow or not, but there is a price to pay should you be found to have not followed the rules.. *shrug* I know we all want to be forgiving, but - rules are indeed rules.. How is it at all fair to say that a rule can be broken, but only enforced selectively? That's simply ludicrous.. |
Actuallly I have never run a "Stop Sign" in my life!!!
FACT! and I dare you to call me on that! |
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07/17/2010 03:23:18 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...perhaps the blame for the amount of time on this particular image may not rest solely on SC. |
Originally posted by scalvert:
A thoughtful sentiment, but the validation delay was entirely on us. We're just not voting/discussing as quickly as we should and I agree that it undermines the site. :-( |
I stand corrected.
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07/17/2010 03:47:29 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Bull. The blame is on the members now? That's utter crap, and just a little more than insulting. The only "pitchfork brigade" and "hue and cry" came from people whose hair got curled over offering an opinion on the potential for disqualification. "Indignant" about placement? scarbrd lost the front page due to the process. The process therefore needs to change in order to avoid a repeat. Standing behind the banner no matter what it says in front serves no one. |
Originally posted by kenskid:
im with louis on this. to blame everone but the perp is kind of strange. |
As I responded to Shannon, I stand corrected, but perhaps you could actually read the last line of my post in particular....
perhaps the blame for the amount of time on this particular image may not rest solely on SC.
Your "offering opinions on the potential for disqualification" seemed an awful lot like a witch hunt to more than just myself. And you were told about it, at which point you blew it off. Opinions cross more than one street and publicly eviscerating a newcomer's entry certainly isn't a great way to make friends. You may not have necessarliy intended it in any way as an attack on the entrant himself, but geez!
And when you're told to lay off and others find your pointed remarks on the image a bit much you reply with a comment like this?
Originally posted by Louis:
The amount of whining about hurt feelings here is only matched by the level of sycophancy. |
Maybe the seasoned DPC forums vet would find this not so much out of the ordinary, but it's pretty condescending.
I dunno......I wish I'd never had spent time as a list admin......it just irks me when people seem to have no compunction about jumping SC if things don't go the way they see it. The job's not exactly well paying, nor a breeze. I was pondering just exactly how many images a month have to go through validation, and it seems to be no mean feat by itself coupled with having to be somewhat available to put out other fires as well as answering what is no doubt a pretty substantial amount of questions during the normal course of the operation of the site. Again, that's just my perception, YMMV....
Seems to me if anyone had the right to bitch, it'd be  scarbrd & bassbone. They seem to be pretty gracious about the end result.
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07/17/2010 03:49:24 PM · #32 |
I appreciate what everyone is saying, I would have liked to have had some front page time, but I am not the first person this has happened to. Part of the game, I guess.
However, I would like to see the ribbon now.
On my computers and mobile devices the results page just starts at 2nd place, mine still shows 4th, although it is in the 3rd position.
The image page still shows 4th as does my profile page.
Does everyone else see it this way? I've cleared the cache several times. |
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07/17/2010 03:51:25 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Simms:
SC, can I have confirmation this will be OK with you guys? Do I need to submit a ticket? |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
I'd bet you run stop signs regularly yeah?
ETA: No real offense intended, but dammit man, rules are rules, follow or not, but there is a price to pay should you be found to have not followed the rules.. *shrug* I know we all want to be forgiving, but - rules are indeed rules.. How is it at all fair to say that a rule can be broken, but only enforced selectively? That's simply ludicrous.. |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Cory,
You apparently don't know Simms very well; this sort of satirical post is his metier. It's no more to be taken seriously than was Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal.R. |
You can explain it away, but Simms got another one! ROFL!!!!
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07/17/2010 03:53:38 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I appreciate what everyone is saying, I would have liked to have had some front page time, but I am not the first person this has happened to. Part of the game, I guess.
However, I would like to see the ribbon now.
On my computers and mobile devices the results page just starts at 2nd place, mine still shows 4th, although it is in the 3rd position.
The image page still shows 4th as does my profile page.
Does everyone else see it this way? I've cleared the cache several times. |
I think the actual re-arrangement of the results requires personal intervention from Langdon -- he has been notified but hasn't revised the code yet. |
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07/17/2010 03:56:50 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I appreciate what everyone is saying, I would have liked to have had some front page time, but I am not the first person this has happened to. Part of the game, I guess.
However, I would like to see the ribbon now.
On my computers and mobile devices the results page just starts at 2nd place, mine still shows 4th, although it is in the 3rd position.
The image page still shows 4th as does my profile page.
Does everyone else see it this way? I've cleared the cache several times. |
I think the actual re-arrangement of the results requires personal intervention from Langdon -- he has been notified but hasn't revised the code yet. |
Thanks Paul. |
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07/17/2010 05:30:43 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Simms:
SC, can I have confirmation this will be OK with you guys? Do I need to submit a ticket? |
I'd bet you run stop signs regularly yeah?
ETA: No real offense intended, but dammit man, rules are rules, follow or not, but there is a price to pay should you be found to have not followed the rules.. *shrug* I know we all want to be forgiving, but - rules are indeed rules.. How is it at all fair to say that a rule can be broken, but only enforced selectively? That's simply ludicrous.. |
Cory,
You apparently don't know Simms very well; this sort of satirical post is his metier. It's no more to be taken seriously than was Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal.
R. |
OK, I`ll admit it, not only did I have to look up the meaning of the word "Metier", but I also Wikipedia`d "A Modest Proposal". I believe Bear has actually nailed it on the head with his comment about me. ROFLMAO.. Nice one Rob. Any idea where I can get hold of a copy of A modest proposal, sounds a riot! |
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07/17/2010 05:46:23 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by Simms:
SC, can I have confirmation this will be OK with you guys? Do I need to submit a ticket? |
I'd bet you run stop signs regularly yeah?
ETA: No real offense intended, but dammit man, rules are rules, follow or not, but there is a price to pay should you be found to have not followed the rules.. *shrug* I know we all want to be forgiving, but - rules are indeed rules.. How is it at all fair to say that a rule can be broken, but only enforced selectively? That's simply ludicrous.. |
Cory,
You apparently don't know Simms very well; this sort of satirical post is his metier. It's no more to be taken seriously than was Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal.
R. |
OK, I`ll admit it, not only did I have to look up the meaning of the word "Metier", but I also Wikipedia`d "A Modest Proposal". I believe Bear has actually nailed it on the head with his comment about me. ROFLMAO.. Nice one Rob. Any idea where I can get hold of a copy of A modest proposal, sounds a riot! |
Actually......it's métier.......8>)
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07/17/2010 05:51:37 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Simms:
OK, I`ll admit it, not only did I have to look up the meaning of the word "Metier", but I also Wikipedia`d "A Modest Proposal". I believe Bear has actually nailed it on the head with his comment about me. ROFLMAO.. Nice one Rob. Any idea where I can get hold of a copy of A modest proposal, sounds a riot! |
You're from the UK and you've never read Swift? Or maybe you've read his works except for A Modest Proposal. I'm from Canada and I studied that in high school. |
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07/17/2010 05:51:44 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Any idea where I can get hold of a copy of A modest proposal, sounds a riot! |
It is pretty funny and well worth a read. You can get it here... |
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07/17/2010 06:02:59 PM · #40 |
I heartily recommend A Modest Proposal, which Clive has so kindly linked through Project Gutenberg, to anybody who wants to see what real, world-class satire looks like. You would not believe the uproar publication of that piece generated :-)
R. |
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07/17/2010 07:04:03 PM · #41 |
Three words spring to mind.
Off. Topic.
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07/17/2010 07:10:33 PM · #42 |
| De ja vous... this all sounds so familiar |
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07/17/2010 07:35:26 PM · #43 |
| oh. is satire ever off topic? |
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07/17/2010 08:14:28 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Thanks Shannon I guess that does answer the question from the other thread huh. Too bad the others won't get their week on the front page though. :( |
Put the new results up on the homepage! We all love seeing our ribbons up for a time! Don't shortchange the newly declared winners! |
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07/17/2010 09:06:34 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Your "offering opinions on the potential for disqualification" seemed an awful lot like a witch hunt to more than just myself. |
You've got to be joking. In case you're not, here's the post that started it all. I know you're the cut 'n' paste king, but try this one on for size anyway.
Originally posted by Louis:
I don't think this photograph will be approved. There is a very obvious texture added as an overlay, which is not legal in Advanced. I anticipate a DQ. |
Wow, what a witch hunt. Ban that guy, he doesn't know when he's blowing by that line between "adult conversation" and "considered opinion". What a jerk.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
And you were told about it, at which point you blew it off. |
Uh-huh. If you can't tell the difference between a blowhard and a guy with an opinion, your ability to engage is seriously impaired.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
And when you're told to lay off and others find your pointed remarks on the image a bit much you reply with a comment like this?
Originally posted by Louis:
The amount of whining about hurt feelings here is only matched by the level of sycophancy. |
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No, I don't. I reply with a comment like this:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, to offer my opinion, I think the spirit of that rule is misapplied in situations like this, where the photo is already displayed on the front page. It will be vetted (or not) irrespective of the discussion. The way I see it, a few words were written about a possible texture amidst a lot of high praise that was sure to end in the photo being DQed. If that's against the forum rules, my opinion is that they should be revisited -- or the spirit of them applied appropriately. |
I reply the former way when a reasonable conversation is derailed by mean-spirited people intent on belittling others making perfectly fair observations.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Seems to me if anyone had the right to bitch, it'd be scarbrd & bassbone. They seem to be pretty gracious about the end result. |
Everyone has the "right" to bitch about this situation. Every member is affected. Every member should be considered. I'd be seriously suspicious of anyone that had the gall to suggest the membership should just shut-up and take their lumps if they aren't directly affected. As I said, this kind of thing undermines the raison d'etre of the site.
Message edited by author 2010-07-17 21:06:58. |
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07/17/2010 09:13:40 PM · #46 |
I personally still think that not having the face time on the front page is not fair either. Maybe something to think about for the future of this site is a small thumbnail along the left side of the homepage showing the image and an explanation of the change and keep that up for a week so that person can also get their front page time. This could be done in cases like this were getting validation has taken an inordinate amount of time or an over site has happen.
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07/17/2010 09:35:26 PM · #47 |
Personally I would FREAK if my first ribbon was not on the front page ! There is no money or other prize given out. The virtual ribbon is it. The virtual ribbon comes with another prize...your photo on the front of a pretty damm popular web page for a week!
Originally posted by SEG:
I personally still think that not having the face time on the front page is not fair either. Maybe something to think about for the future of this site is a small thumbnail along the left side of the homepage showing the image and an explanation of the change and keep that up for a week so that person can also get their front page time. This could be done in cases like this were getting validation has taken an inordinate amount of time or an over site has happen. |
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07/17/2010 09:40:37 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I appreciate what everyone is saying, I would have liked to have had some front page time, but I am not the first person this has happened to. Part of the game, I guess.
However, I would like to see the ribbon now.
On my computers and mobile devices the results page just starts at 2nd place, mine still shows 4th, although it is in the 3rd position.
The image page still shows 4th as does my profile page.
Does everyone else see it this way? I've cleared the cache several times. |
Has anybody read the book City of Ember where a post-apocalyptic city is created underground and designed to run for two hundred years. The instructions on how to get out are lost and nobody remembers anything else exists other than the city except now things are now starting to break down and supplies are running out. Sometimes I feel we're living in that city here.
If the site cannot DQ such a blatant breaking of multiple rules in perhaps 48+12 hours, then new blood needs to be brought on. I hate to be the boo-bird, but this is the plain, obvious truth. |
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07/17/2010 09:43:22 PM · #49 |
Whilst I don't entirely disagree with you, I would like to point out that not so long ago, we dq'ed a ribbon winner (within 24 - 48 hours) then had to back up and re-instate because we had acted too hastily.
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07/17/2010 09:45:25 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Whilst I don't entirely disagree with you, I would like to point out that not so long ago, we dq'ed a ribbon winner (within 24 - 48 hours) then had to back up and re-instate because we had acted too hastily.
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It seems like putting a link to scarbrd's photo in the "Announcements" section on the left sidebar would be a reasonable compromise. |
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