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07/16/2010 08:17:19 AM · #1 |
how about if a comment was required for a score of 1 or 2 or less and even when giving a 9 or 10.
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07/16/2010 08:17:42 AM · #2 |
Already tried to a degree.
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07/16/2010 08:22:36 AM · #3 |
Blanket commenting might be a bit much. Perhaps it might be possible to have a threshold percentage. Suppose if you score over... x% less than three you need to comment. Commented lows don't count then.
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07/16/2010 08:32:27 AM · #4 |
You cannot force comments or scores. Live with them and move on. If you let it bother you, it empowers them. Do you really want a comment someone was forced to leave rather than one someone was inspired to write? If you don't get comments, that in and of itself speaks volumes.
If you want commentary, participate in a side challenge, or proffer the image in Individual Photograph Discussion in the forums.
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07/16/2010 08:34:31 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Do you really want a comment someone was forced to leave rather than one someone was inspired to write? |
Excellent point.
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07/16/2010 08:38:07 AM · #6 |
| the scoring scale would just shrink down to 3 - 8 |
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07/16/2010 08:42:20 AM · #7 |
OK I'll say it.
If the site admins implement this then the 1 or 2 votes will disappear from this site and the voters will replace 1 and 2 votes with 3 and 4 votes.
Then after a while someone like yourself will start a thread asking if we should implement a rule making comments on 3 and 4 votes obligatory. :)
And so on and so on....
Voting is what it is and it needs to be accepted as such, nothing can, or will be done about it because imo voting is a personal thing and no rule will change how people vote or comment. Wouldn't you rather get a comment from someone who wants to give you one instead of from someone obligated to do so? I appreciate the one or two comments I get and work with them, or ignore them altogether.
If your image is good (a la DPC) it'll get comments and praise. If it sucks then the lack of comments should tell you something too.
eta, Jeb said it too, sorry, I don't read the replies before I post.
Also. I would rather get 2 honest to goodness real comments than 8 or 9 comments from people out on a mission to comment on all the images in one challenge.
Message edited by author 2010-07-16 08:53:30. |
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07/16/2010 08:43:17 AM · #8 |
A good way to stop trolls is to make stunning shots and to get a ribbon.
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07/16/2010 09:00:21 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by keyz:
A good way to stop trolls is to make stunning shots and to get a ribbon. |
Or by squashing them. Yes, squashing them works too.
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07/16/2010 09:00:38 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
how about if a comment was required for a score of 1 or 2 or less and even when giving a 9 or 10. |
As others have stated, this was tried previously (not mandated) but a box used to come up on any vote of 3 or less requesting a comment. The problem is that people being forced to comment are not told what to say. They could simply write jibberish or leave a comment of '1', or 'aslkf' or anything they feel like.
In any site of this type where people from around the world with differing views come together, you are going to get people that don't like the same things.
Forcing someone to leave a comment is likely only going to have fewer people vote in the first place, and that is a bigger problem IMO than a few extra low and high votes.
In my opinion, the voting histogram itself is among the best 'comments' a person can receive about their shot. A couple of examples:
A. The final score is 5 to 5.5. The histogram shows 90% of the votes are between 4 and 6. I would interpret this as the shot is middle of the road, safe, and reasonable well constructed and delivered but with no great draw.
B. The final score is 5 to 5.5. The histogram shows that there is a significant number of votes (more than 5-10%) that give it a 9 or 10 and a number that vote it 1 or 2. My interpretation is that the photo reached some people in a very real way, and the overall score shows that there was disagreement about how people appreciate it.
C. The final score is well over 6. The histogram shows that most voters (>80%) voted the shot a 6 through 8. There are a few low votes and a couple of 10s. The low votes are likely from people that wanted something more - a story, an emotional response, etc. than a technical superior shot.
Anyway, that is just a few examples. I think there is value in I interpreting scores and use that as another set of comments for my entries.
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07/16/2010 09:33:05 AM · #11 |
I've always found that my pics that receive the least comments are the ones that are mediocre.
If the peeps on here hate your picture, they will be more than willing to let you know why.
My best rated pic on here:
Mediocre
Poor This one has the most comments...
If you want lots of comments, you need to do amazingly well or amazingly bad.
The lack of comments means that your picture did not stand out. The challenge implied in the name of this website isn't in operating a camera... a camera is just a tool. The challenge is in finding interesting subject matter in a given week. Capturing the picture in an interesting manner only gets noticed when the subject is cool. If you find great subject matter and shoot the picture poorly, people will tell you how to improve. If you pic boring subject matter and shoot the picture amazingly, you will be overlooked.
Another way of looking at this... The wow factor. People are prone to tell you "Wow, that's great!" or "Wow that sucks!". They usually don't take the time to tell you "Wow, I can't find a more mediocre picture on here."
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07/16/2010 09:40:57 AM · #12 |
My second best scoring picture got the most comments. Though I sample from a small set of competitions.
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07/16/2010 09:45:03 AM · #13 |
I was once attacked by a troll.
The comments was Awful (sic!)
I know he was a troll because he never posted anything and most of his comments were bad.
But, 3 other users made great comments on that picture (among them a user with lots of ribbon).
So 3 great comments vs 1 bad comment. The bright side wins thanks to those 3 users :)
My point is, don't chase the troll, drown them. When you like a picture : SAY SO. Say why. When you like a picture but a detail or something turns you off, say so too! Aren't we here to learn? |
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07/16/2010 10:20:19 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by evanescente:
My point is, don't chase the troll, drown them. When you like a picture : SAY SO. Say why. When you like a picture but a detail or something turns you off, say so too! Aren't we here to learn? |
That's all very well and good as an ideal, but look at the upper left hand side of the page:
dpchallenge: a digital photography contest
No matter how much you want good and decent voting and commenting, it simply will noy happen across the board. Use what you get to evaluate yourself. You can glean a lot from your ratios in votes and comments.
For example.....here's an image that got a 6.5/21st place in a Free Study......five during voting. What does that tell you?
Technically correct, very pretty, but it simply did not move prople.
Another one.....6.5930/7th place, 8 comments, *1* during voting!!!
Again, technically correct, but nothing that inspired anyone to gush effusively.
Now this......4.4857, out of the box, intentional hornet's nest poke, and 73 comments.
If you want comments, you have to wake 'em up!......8>)
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07/16/2010 10:56:58 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by evanescente:
I was once attacked by a troll.
The comments was Awful (sic!)
I know he was a troll because he never posted anything and most of his comments were bad.
But, 3 other users made great comments on that picture (among them a user with lots of ribbon).
So 3 great comments vs 1 bad comment. The bright side wins thanks to those 3 users :)
My point is, don't chase the troll, drown them. When you like a picture : SAY SO. Say why. When you like a picture but a detail or something turns you off, say so too! Aren't we here to learn? |
It's the internet... buttheads feel they can post anything without an ounce of politeness. You can't let it bother you.
Flip side... It is a mildly creepy picture. It looks to me like something out of the legend of sleepy hollow. Maybe the person had a bad emotional reaction to it. |
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