We have nothing to SPHERE but SPHERE itself!

07/20/2010 02:09:35 PM · #201

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by snaffles:

Originally posted by mike_311:
i'm about to go give out a bunch of 1's to even things out a bit. :)

kidding, i wonder if people actually do that? score a bunch of 1's to raise there relative average.

There seem to be people who think that by voting everyone else down, their own vote will rise. Uhmm...NOPE! Doesn't work. My theory is there seems to be a tide here, everyone rises and sinks pretty equally. Vote others fairly, and yes even well, and other people notice and tend to vote fairly in turn.

Furthermore if you vote all 1s, rest assured your votes will be scrubbed at rollover. So either way you are shooting yourself in the foot. SO don't even bother doing it!

Agreed.... I vote fairly, but use the entire scale (as the site is designed). If you never give below a 5, then 1-5 are collapsed into an disproportionate group and the scale is then 5-10.

I disagree with that. I think an average photo is a photo that a typical person with a point and shoot could do. I think that a significant chunk of people on DPC are better than the average person with a point and shoot. So I rarely use anything less than a 3, because I've rarely seen anything that bad on here.

I appreciate the discussion, though, because it gives me more of an insight into voting on DPC.

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07/20/2010 02:12:01 PM · #202

woohoo i just got hit with two 7's or an 8 and a 6, or a 9 and a 5! or a 10 and 4!!!

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07/20/2010 02:12:41 PM · #203

Originally posted by vawendy:

That's an excellent way of voting. So what's average then? 3? 2?

07/20/2010 02:14:36 PM · #204

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by vawendy:
I disagree with that. I think an average photo is a photo that a typical person with a point and shoot could do. I think that a significant chunk of people on DPC are better than the average person with a point and shoot. So I rarely use anything less than a 3, because I've rarely seen anything that bad on here.

That's an excellent way of voting. So what's average then? 3? 2?

I gave out an average on 5.9 on this challenge. 5.0-5.5 is pretty the average Joe on the street. So average on this site is a little above average Joe on the street.

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07/20/2010 02:15:28 PM · #205

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by snaffles:
You have rated 110 of 110 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 4 images (4%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.6727.

*dusting off hands* There. I didn't give anyone less than a 5 so no whining now!

You have rated 110 of 110 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 5 images (5%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 4.2000.

I'm curious -- please don't think I'm attacking, but I'm curious... Do you really think that the majority of photos in this challenge are sub-average?

Apparently so... I take each image on its own merits and don't compare one image in the challenge to another. I don't have a quota. I don't give a 10 to the top image and 9 to second place, etc. I (in my head) think "On a scale of 1-10, how do I rate this image".

So the chips fall where they may in terms of my voting average and the winner. I think if more people voted this way, it would be a better site.

My breakdown was as follows:

10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 1
7 - 3
6 - 11 (met the challenge and was a pretty good, clear shot)
5 - 41 (met the challenge, but had clear flaws like focus, over sharp, etc.)
4 - 29 (shoe horn and flawed)
3 - 9 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried)
2 - 3 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried to shoehorn something and still failed)
1 - 3 (these folks appear to be trying for a brown ribbon on purpose)

07/20/2010 02:20:20 PM · #206

Originally posted by klkitchens:

10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 1
7 - 3
6 - 11 (met the challenge and was a pretty good, clear shot)
5 - 41 (met the challenge, but had clear flaws like focus, over sharp, etc.)
4 - 29 (shoe horn and flawed)
3 - 9 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried)
2 - 3 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried to shoehorn something and still failed)
1 - 3 (these folks appear to be trying for a brown ribbon on purpose)

I always find voting trends interesting. I'm curious what mine'd've gotten.

07/20/2010 02:22:00 PM · #207

i generally give a 5 if the picture doesn't resonate with me but i think a good effort was given, anything less i give, either the pic is bad quality or i feel it took too much liberty or didn't stick to with the topic.

for instance there were some pics this time around i didn't feel stuck with the sphere. I needed to clearly see a sphere as the focus of the picture, not a side prop or something that was somewhat round in shape.

i find that i am pretty harsh with my criticism, but i have noticed that my highest rated pictures are usually the one that win the ribbons.

07/20/2010 02:22:08 PM · #208

Originally posted by klkitchens:

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ahh... that's one of the areas where we differ, I guess. I didn't think that >40 didn't meet the challenge. But I do have a wide tolerance for interpretation of the challenge. The challenge didn't say it had to be a perfect sphere, so there were many that pushed the envelope but still fit, imo.

I found this conversation interesting. Thank you.

Message edited by author 2010-07-20 14:23:26.

07/20/2010 02:24:09 PM · #209

Originally posted by klkitchens:

My breakdown was as follows:

10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 1
7 - 3
6 - 11 (met the challenge and was a pretty good, clear shot)
5 - 41 (met the challenge, but had clear flaws like focus, over sharp, etc.)
4 - 29 (shoe horn and flawed)
3 - 9 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried)
2 - 3 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried to shoehorn something and still failed)
1 - 3 (these folks appear to be trying for a brown ribbon on purpose)

I bet i can tell you what got the 8 its probably the same as me.

07/20/2010 02:25:07 PM · #210

Originally posted by vawendy:

Then what is the purpose of the 1 and 2 on the scale?

I think there is a basic level of ability beyond Grandma holding up her point and shoot to be expected from someone competing with their photos. Such a P&S photo would get a 3 or 4 from me. I've softened a bit on that since I first started, but I will use the 1 and 2 as necessary. If it's a P&S shot that doesn't meet the challenge, it's gonna clearly drop into the 1 or 2 range.

I know for a fact that there are people here though who vote great photos with 1s or 2s and not because they deserved it for DNMC or some such, but just for sabotage purposes. It's sad, but it does happen. Since I've received a few 1s on clear 6+ photos (to my scale), I decided to be a little nicer on when to use the 1 or 2.

We each have different scales and different expectations. I see the scale as applying to all entries and that to enter the worst photo that DNMC would be down on the 1 or 2 side of things. From a photography standpoint, you cannot get much worse (these days) than an amateur with a P&S.

07/20/2010 02:26:47 PM · #211

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

My breakdown was as follows:

10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 1
7 - 3
6 - 11 (met the challenge and was a pretty good, clear shot)
5 - 41 (met the challenge, but had clear flaws like focus, over sharp, etc.)
4 - 29 (shoe horn and flawed)
3 - 9 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried)
2 - 3 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried to shoehorn something and still failed)
1 - 3 (these folks appear to be trying for a brown ribbon on purpose)

I bet i can tell you what got the 8 its probably the same as me.

PM me. :)

07/20/2010 02:28:29 PM · #212

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

My breakdown was as follows:

10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 1
7 - 3
6 - 11 (met the challenge and was a pretty good, clear shot)
5 - 41 (met the challenge, but had clear flaws like focus, over sharp, etc.)
4 - 29 (shoe horn and flawed)
3 - 9 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried)
2 - 3 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried to shoehorn something and still failed)
1 - 3 (these folks appear to be trying for a brown ribbon on purpose)

I bet i can tell you what got the 8 its probably the same as me.

PM me. :)

This would be a 2.

Message edited by author 2010-07-20 14:28:41.

07/20/2010 02:28:42 PM · #213

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by klkitchens:
10 - 0
9 - 0
8 - 1
7 - 3
6 - 11 (met the challenge and was a pretty good, clear shot)
5 - 41 (met the challenge, but had clear flaws like focus, over sharp, etc.)
4 - 29 (shoe horn and flawed)
3 - 9 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried)
2 - 3 (failed to meet the challenge, but they appeared to have tried to shoehorn something and still failed)
1 - 3 (these folks appear to be trying for a brown ribbon on purpose)

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ahh... that's one of the areas where we differ, I guess. I didn't think that >40 didn't meet the challenge. But I do have a wide tolerance for interpretation of the challenge. The challenge didn't say it had to be a perfect sphere, so there were many that pushed the envelope but still fit, imo.

I found this conversation interesting. Thank you.

Being a purist, to me a sphere is by definition perfect or close to it. However if it was spheriCAL, with symmetry, I considered it sphere. If it was a hemisphere or a lumpy blob, then nope. DNMC.

However, I only had 15 that I felt DNMC, not 40+. Shoehorn's count. :)

07/20/2010 02:29:21 PM · #214

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

PM me... I will not change my vote, but I will tell you.

07/20/2010 02:30:17 PM · #215

Originally posted by vawendy:

This would be a 2.

Why 2 and not 1?

07/20/2010 02:31:22 PM · #216

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by vawendy:
This would be a 2.

Why 2 and not 1?

i guess i better do a better job on my DOF entry :)

Message edited by author 2010-07-20 14:31:37.

07/20/2010 02:31:39 PM · #217

The problem is: if you give a photo like this (typical average photo from my portfolio)

a 1,2, or 3 -- what do you give the truly awful photos that sometimes show up here?

07/20/2010 02:33:15 PM · #218

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by vawendy:
This would be a 2.

Why 2 and not 1?

I must admit, I avoid 1s. I've given a few, but just to people who seem to be thumbing their nose at the challenge. (note: I didn't give 1s to the people who did the abstract shots for the catalog, I actually figured that abstract art was definitely a catalog item. I thought it was an interesting idea.)

07/20/2010 02:36:47 PM · #219

Originally posted by vawendy:

The problem is: if you give a photo like this (typical average photo from my portfolio)

a 1,2, or 3 -- what do you give the truly awful photos that sometimes show up here?

Gave that one a 4 :)

That stare is just creepy :)

07/20/2010 02:38:06 PM · #220

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by vawendy:
The problem is: if you give a photo like this (typical average photo from my portfolio)

a 1,2, or 3 -- what do you give the truly awful photos that sometimes show up here?

Gave that one a 4 :)

That stare is just creepy :)

haha! She was pretty intense.

07/20/2010 02:43:00 PM · #221

Originally posted by vawendy:

The problem is: if you give a photo like this (typical average photo from my portfolio)

a 1,2, or 3 -- what do you give the truly awful photos that sometimes show up here?

Didn't vote on that one. I like the composition, and eyes, and hair. I'd've givin it something between 5 and 6.

07/20/2010 02:43:19 PM · #222

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by vawendy:
The problem is: if you give a photo like this (typical average photo from my portfolio)

a 1,2, or 3 -- what do you give the truly awful photos that sometimes show up here?

Gave that one a 4 :)

That stare is just creepy :)

haha! She was pretty intense.

I had this one, but my teammates thought it would get dinged for her not looking at the camera:

07/20/2010 02:50:06 PM · #223

I think I preferred it to your actual entry

I found the wall a bit distracting with your entry. Though. I'd've probably given both 5 or 6.

I should PS that with I find it very hard to judge portraitures well.

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