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 06/23/2004 12:50:47 AM · #1
I am NOT trying to rock the boat here, but once again I am at odds as to why a shot that didn't meet the challenge rank in the top 20?? I know that when some see my name they will mumble to themselves "troublemaker". I just need to understand if we are voting based on a challenge or just great images?

"We all face many choices every day. Take a photo representing a choice that you must make."

Cathy's Butterly shot was stunning. But a butterfly is not "We" or "Us".

Comments? Flame suit is on and zipped tight!

By the way Cathy, that is a beautiful picture!
 06/23/2004 01:23:36 AM · #2
Semantics. How about that was the point of view of someone buying a flowering plant, and they noticed that the butterfly was on that one? So choose the one the butterfly seems to like or the next one that is larger or smaller or prettier?
 06/23/2004 01:45:38 AM · #3
I think you're being overly critical. If this photo had won a ribbon, then your post might be justified. As it is, I don't see why a top 20 finish bothers you this much.
 06/23/2004 01:50:13 AM · #4
Stop Whining.

Spend more time taking pictures, less time worrying about grammer.

Lee

Edit: Just an idea, put this in the rant section instead of this one.

Message edited by author 2004-06-23 01:50:53.
 06/23/2004 02:01:35 AM · #5
I just knew this was going to ruffles some feathers...

Whining? I think not. Seeking an understanding? I think so.

Part of this whole process is to see how we can do in a challenge and better our skills by doing so. Oh and having fun is in there too!

Maybe I live in a black & white world where something IS or it ISN'T.

Maybe I'm just a newbie (2 months here) and don't know the pecking order in this club.

Maybe I should just go and shoot superb shots and MAKE them fit into a challenge.

I just hate biting my lip. (yeah, I know, I get into trouble that way, but at least I'm not a hypocrite).

Oh and put this into the Rant Forum? Why? This is for discussing the Challenge Results - right?

Message edited by author 2004-06-23 02:02:51.
 06/23/2004 02:01:58 AM · #6
I would certainly encourage 'Brad' to win another blue ribbon.

I may be naive but I don't read this as a whine, I think he's just trying to understand. He's not quite been here three months and things are not always consistent.

But I would add that making a suggestion that a certain picture was undeserving of it's finish, won't win you many friends and imo it's not polite.

edit (added "not")

Message edited by author 2004-06-23 02:03:06.
 06/23/2004 02:13:45 AM · #7
Hi Garry,

"...making a suggestion that a certain picture was undeserving of it's finish, won't win you many friends and imo it's not polite."

Agreed, and was NOT the jest of my post. Cathy's shot made me envious and hope I can turn a shot like that someday. I just didn't see where it fit the challenge, and is where I am confused.

When I saw the image, I get a feel of where it fits in the Challenge. The shot on it's own doesn't. The title steered a viewer to the Butterfly being the one choosing. It never crossed my mind that it may be the person choosing.

UGH! Need to open my mind more I guess.



06/23/2004 02:16:33 AM · #8
Originally posted by BradP:
I just need to understand if we are voting based on a challenge or just great images?

"We all face many choices every day. Take a photo representing a choice that you must make."

Cathy's Butterly shot was stunning. But a butterfly is not "We" or "Us".

Comments? Flame suit is on and zipped tight!

Cathy (reasonably) interpreted this as "take a photo reprersenting a choice which must be made," projecting herself into the role of a butterfly (reverse anthropomorphosis). The authors of the challenge clearly used active rather than passive phrasing through habit and idiom, not through any desire to strictly circumscribe the limits of interpretation, or else the description would bemore like "take a photo where you, the photographer, must be physically represented in the act of making a decision."

I think any photo depicting choice or options "fits the challenge" well enough.
 06/23/2004 02:25:06 AM · #9
As I said prior, I guess I need to open my mind more.

Cathy, if you are reading this, my heartfelt appologies for the personal attack (though it wasn't meant as such). That is a stunning shot!
 06/23/2004 02:33:52 AM · #10
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think any photo depicting choice or options "fits the challenge" well enough.


Agreed. There's enough people obviously stretching their photos to fit a challenge it shouldn't be in to keep your 'low votes' reserved for them. One that fits based on interpretation I'd let slide.

Message edited by author 2004-06-23 02:44:48.
 06/23/2004 02:42:36 AM · #11
I can agree with you on this. I like that photo because it is very good but I've never had to decide what flower I wanted to sip from. But sometimes I give people the opportunity to think a little outside the box.
 04/05/2005 04:52:04 PM · #12
I know this is old, but 'Brad' brought it up again, and it's a good discussion for others who might not have seen it.

Originally posted by BradP:
How far does latitude or artistic interpretation go [in meeting the challenge]?




Personally, I don't think this shot met the challenge ("take a photo representing a choice that you must make"), but enough people were willing to give it the benefit of the doubt that it scored just over 6. Note that 42 people voted that entry a 3 or less, but the image was so appealing that it also got high votes from those willing to accept it. I probably wouldn't have scored it more than 4 or 5 for a great image with a tenuous challenge connection.

Meeting a challenge is NOT a matter of following the posted description. You have to devine from the description what most voters' interpretation will be and go from there. Differences in language, culture and laziness (some folks only read the challenge title) mean that not everyone will agree with your particular interpretation. That's one reason why ribbon winners routinely get a few votes below 3.
 04/05/2005 05:23:45 PM · #13
I can see where you are coming from 'Brad' in this old thread.

This is why I would like to see the challenge description kept as simple as possible less words for those who like to explore every definition and would place the onus of interpretation on the photographer not the viewer.

For example if this particular challenge was simply titled "choices" with no description we would have lot more creativity without the fear of "does not meet challenge" and the onus would then be on the viewer/voter to accept that this is how the photographer interprets the word choices.

Maybe it wouldn't work for a lot of challenges but I would like see some more single word challenges every now or then.
 04/05/2005 05:42:04 PM · #14
Originally posted by keegbow:
...I would like see some more single word challenges every now or then.


"Choices" would have worked for this one, but I like the variety of different challenge types. You can't please everybody, nor would a one word challenge prevent others from having a different interpretation. Some people were confused by "In the Beginning" since there was no other guidance given.
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