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06/26/2010 08:33:40 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
... But, why not do it right in the first place? The most beneficial outcome of this debacle would be to learn from your mistakes. Subject in focus is fundamental. Sorry to not mollycoddle you, but I sort of feel our chain is being yanked here. |
Hahn! HAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!!!! |
Hey, thanks for that. I'll exit the discussion now. Good job! I didn't know this was a mollycoddle only thread.
Message edited by author 2010-06-26 20:35:41. |
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06/26/2010 08:37:25 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Hey, thanks for that. I'll exit the discussion now. Good job! I didn't know this was a mollycoddle only thread. |
It is a Request for Assistance thread.... |
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06/26/2010 08:38:23 PM · #28 |
Richard - How many of the animals you take such awesome pictures of actually buy your prints?
From my experience and from other photogs I know, it is often the images I don't like as a photographer that the client does when it comes to portrait and people photos.
You are a great photog and your business is built on the highest of quality outdoor landscape and wildlife photography, so for your business, technical excellence is an absolute must so that you can sell to the buying public. For a mom buying pictures of her little one with the expression that she loves the best - even with the eyes closed or snot running down the cheek, that is the one she wants and you ain't going to stop her from buying it! |
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06/26/2010 08:38:32 PM · #29 |
For those who feel the need to bash me... I was not there to catch images of him jumping into the pool. I was there to take a few shots of her son under the water. But I choose to go further and captured many more images then that.
For those who would like to see some you can go here and take a peek.
For those that want to continue to bash me... ya know what... you can bite me... Im tired of being bashed and trashed when I ask for help... it doesnt cost you a thing to ignore my post... it doesnt harm you in anyway to ignore me. Im sick of being treated like crap by people on their high horse....
ETA: In my anger I forgot to thank those who are being nice and trying to help I appreciate it.
Message edited by author 2010-06-26 20:41:51.
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06/26/2010 08:38:53 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Hey, thanks for that. I'll exit the discussion now. Good job! I didn't know this was a mollycoddle only thread. |
It is a Request for Assistance thread.... |
And, the advice I gave was constructive comment, with specific advice for better results on the re-shoot. What are the rest of you doing? |
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06/26/2010 08:42:50 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Hey, thanks for that. I'll exit the discussion now. Good job! I didn't know this was a mollycoddle only thread. |
It is a Request for Assistance thread.... |
And, the advice I gave was constructive comment, with specific advice for better results on the re-shoot. What are the rest of you doing? |
The REQUEST was for Assistance on THIS image, as the client really wants it. What request for arrogant "Do it right in the first place" and "debacle" comments did you read, and how do they help with This Image which the Client Wants? |
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06/26/2010 08:45:39 PM · #32 |
| "DPC. Where every night is fight night." |
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06/26/2010 08:46:30 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Hey, thanks for that. I'll exit the discussion now. Good job! I didn't know this was a mollycoddle only thread. |
It is a Request for Assistance thread.... |
And, the advice I gave was constructive comment, with specific advice for better results on the re-shoot. What are the rest of you doing? |
The REQUEST was for Assistance on THIS image, as the client really wants it. What request for arrogant "Do it right in the first place" and "debacle" comments did you read, and how do they help with This Image which the Client Wants? |
Yeah, trash that image. Do better next time. Sorry, it's a tough world out there. The sooner a photographer learns that, the better. |
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06/26/2010 08:49:16 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Hey, thanks for that. I'll exit the discussion now. Good job! I didn't know this was a mollycoddle only thread. |
It is a Request for Assistance thread.... |
And, the advice I gave was constructive comment, with specific advice for better results on the re-shoot. What are the rest of you doing? |
The REQUEST was for Assistance on THIS image, as the client really wants it. What request for arrogant "Do it right in the first place" and "debacle" comments did you read, and how do they help with This Image which the Client Wants? |
Yeah, trash that image. Do better next time. Sorry, it's a tough world out there. The sooner a photographer learns that, the better. |
Hahn...... go away. sheesh. If you dont want to be nice, play nice, and be friendly, just ignore anything with my name on it.
OBVIOUSLY you cant take the time to read what is written. You just want to bash, trash, and be rude. So please... just go away.
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06/26/2010 09:04:14 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Subject in focus is fundamental. |
Well, thats pretty much bollocks i'd say. Sorry. |
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06/26/2010 09:05:25 PM · #36 |
Gaussian blur, USM and some cross-processing |
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06/26/2010 09:10:09 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by odriew:
Gaussian blur, USM and some cross-processing |
I like this edit very much, a nice glow to the image
JustCaree - have a look at this one, it's nice I think.. |
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06/26/2010 09:25:11 PM · #38 |
| Lets just say I'm glad I went and ran 2.5 miles tonight. It got to be Hahn and not me. |
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06/26/2010 09:27:22 PM · #39 |
| Well, I think it was a good learning experience. Carrie now is (painfully) aware that there are some things you can adjust and compensate for in PP, but motion blur is not one of them. The rest of us got to stretch our skills a bit. It was productive. |
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06/26/2010 09:30:15 PM · #40 |
So I think  elSapo and odriew have produced some edits that the Mother will love, and might even wonder what you thought was wrong about the image.
For my money, you did several things Right:
-the best camera to use is the one you have at the moment
-you saw an opportunistic shot and grabbed it with the camera in hand (rather than pass on it because of the camera)
-you want the client to be happy
-you want to be happy yourself with the delivered image
-you were willing to ask for help/guidance
-you recognize that the Client for This image is not seeking technical perfection, fine art, but a treasured memory (and many a treasured memory snapshot, more cherished than any other, is an opportunistic, "imperfect" shot)
Many technically perfect images have no emotion, no soul, no memorable content. This image has all of those, most especially in the mother's eyes.
Message edited by author 2010-06-26 21:35:08. |
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06/26/2010 09:33:01 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Lets just say I'm glad I went and ran 2.5 miles tonight. It got to be Hahn and not me. |
What? To come out with lame points like 'Subject in focus is fundamental,' ?
E.T.A- Sorry, i think i may be a bit too argumentative here- but i do think that saying that the fundamental thing in an image such as this should be the subject in focus is nonsensical.
Message edited by author 2010-06-26 21:42:17. |
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06/26/2010 09:41:40 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by MattO:
Lets just say I'm glad I went and ran 2.5 miles tonight. It got to be Hahn and not me. |
What? To come out with lame points like 'Subject in focus is fundamental,' ? |
No Hahn got to be the fish in the barrel everyone was gunning for, for having an opinion different then everyone else. Usually it's me being brutally honest with people here which goes over like comedy here. Que the lead balloon. |
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06/26/2010 09:44:09 PM · #43 |
| Oh well, thats ok then. I shall head elsewhere to unleash my slightly drunken wrath then :) |
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06/26/2010 09:58:42 PM · #44 |
The point I am trying to make. And the reason I am so upset is that this isn't meant to be "photography". This was a moment I saw and tried to capture. A snapshot. Something non professional. She got excited and asked to see it on the spot. I said I didn't catch it right. She sighed and said oh well. We tried to make him jump in again. He wouldn't. This was not a planned image or a planned shot. It was a precious child being cute and I just happened to have a camera in my hand. I was half in the pool half out of the pool. I acted quickly JUST because it was so darn cute. The client knew the shot did not turn out right but simply asked if I would make the best of it for her scrapbook. My extra editting skills suck so - thought of u guys.
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06/26/2010 10:05:56 PM · #45 |
Sometimes if you blur the background the subject will seem more sharp. Here's what I came up with:
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06/26/2010 10:06:30 PM · #46 |
Here's my (slightly bizarre) take on it.
Caree, we understand what the situation was. Don't worry about negative feedback, it's just par for the course. For what it's worth, Hahn has a point: "Be Prepared At All Times!" But none of that invalidates this charming little image you stumbled upon, and your desire to take the best possible advantage of it.
R.
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06/26/2010 10:17:45 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by odriew:
Gaussian blur, USM and some cross-processing |
I love this one!! Thank you!!!
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06/26/2010 10:18:29 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Here's my (slightly bizarre) take on it.
Caree, we understand what the situation was. Don't worry about negative feedback, it's just par for the course. For what it's worth, Hahn has a point: "Be Prepared At All Times!" But none of that invalidates this charming little image you stumbled upon, and your desire to take the best possible advantage of it.
R. |
This one is pretty cool too!!!
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06/26/2010 10:22:19 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
The point I am trying to make. And the reason I am so upset is that this isn't meant to be "photography". |
Well, it is 'photography' and i don't think you should feel bad about that. It might not be one of your best shots but i really like it. The hands on the right of the shot held out to catch the boy are great and i love the toy shark just behind him.
Look, DPC is full of many different types of photographers and everyone has an idea of what 'photography' is or should do. Much of DPC is held in thrall to very beautiful 'technical' images and thats fine. I love all those shiny landscapes myself. But being just on DPC can give you a very narrow minded, warped view of what photography is. Getting the great advice is wonderful, and i'm very thankful for MattO's advice to me with some recent stuff for example, but for general photography stuff it can be quite narrow. I got annoyed with Richards advice to you because it just seemed so wrong and small minded photography wise (sorry Richard-no disrespect).
It's been said many times before, but if some of the most respected, major world gallery showing photographers were to to submit images to DPC they would be chasing the Brown. |
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06/26/2010 10:29:16 PM · #50 |
| And for what it's worth, out of all the re-edited versions posted here i still prefer the original. Maybe just slightly increase the contrast. I know thats not what you or your customer was asking though |
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