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06/14/2010 01:18:48 AM · #1 |
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06/14/2010 03:12:12 AM · #2 |
| Thanks Josh.Kids these days are so clever I cannot DPC without them! |
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06/14/2010 08:21:22 AM · #3 |
| shouldn't this have an extra rules flag if they aren't going to allow selective desaturation? |
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06/14/2010 08:51:54 AM · #4 |
It has on the challenge description:
Capture an image where a point of color is the main subject. No sort of selective desaturation allowed!
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06/14/2010 11:22:52 AM · #5 |
TO be fair... They didn't say crap about selective re-saturation..
Now, let's just hope they change the rules before someone gets clever... |
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06/14/2010 12:17:58 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
TO be fair... They didn't say crap about selective re-saturation..
Now, let's just hope they change the rules before someone gets clever... |
Hrmmm... Getting all pedantic here:
If you convert and image to BW, say, and then REsaturate the subject, that's just another way of doing selective desaturation, eh? So that won't fly.
But it IS intriguing to anticipate images shot in the mist, say, with very little color, and then use of Hue/Saturation to amp the yellows, or whatever; that's a basic-legal form of selective saturation, and this is an ADVANCED challenge, but...
My poor head...
Anyway, the proscription against "selective desaturation" is just part of the challenge description, so based on past examples it doesn't mean squat as far as legality goes. Unfortunately, this means it's up to the voters to penalize "selective desaturation" as they see fit, which means that those shooters who go to the trouble of actual setting up a monochrome image with a splash of color may get wrongly dinged by drive-by voters who make an incorrect assumption...
I donno, it seems sort of squirrely to me...
R.
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06/14/2010 12:49:56 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by BeefnCheez:
shouldn't this have an extra rules flag if they aren't going to allow selective desaturation? |
It will "probably" be changed to be a Special Rule as soon as we can get hold of Langdon to edit the listing. Personally, I will be treating that part of the description as a rule subject to validation, not just a suggestion. |
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06/18/2010 09:23:24 AM · #8 |
| I'm stumped by the first sentence already. What does "a point of color is the main subject" mean? Looking at the previous challenge results. "point" is more "idea" than "singular area". Colour" is more "stronger colour area" than "one colour", or "uniformly coloured object". So as long as a portion of the main object has a strong colour you're allright? |
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06/18/2010 09:45:18 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by BeefnCheez:
shouldn't this have an extra rules flag if they aren't going to allow selective desaturation? |
It will "probably" be changed to be a Special Rule as soon as we can get hold of Langdon to edit the listing. Personally, I will be treating that part of the description as a rule subject to validation, not just a suggestion. |
If it's only in the description and not a stated rule, then it should only be treated as the theme of the challenge and thus only would be DNMC (which would not be a DQ offense). Not sure you can "personally" treat it any other way for validation purposes. That sorta harms the integrity of the site council. |
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06/19/2010 08:39:21 AM · #10 |
| I just has a look through the previous challenge entries and only now I've realized there needed to be only one colour.. should have looked before shooting :S |
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06/19/2010 08:48:33 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
I just has a look through the previous challenge entries and only now I've realized there needed to be only one colour.. should have looked before shooting :S |
Only one colour? I don't think so. This got 5th place:
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06/19/2010 09:01:22 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
I just has a look through the previous challenge entries and only now I've realized there needed to be only one colour.. should have looked before shooting :S |
Only one colour? I don't think so. This got 5th place:
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I am planning to use my image just because this one didn't get trashed although the general trend does seem to be one solid colour. |
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06/19/2010 10:24:35 AM · #13 |
One solid color? There need to be at least 2 colors imo. I don't see how you can create an image with a point of color if there is only 1 color present in the entire image. In fact I don't see any entries in the previous challenge that had only 1 color. Unless you don't consider black or white a color of course.
Message edited by author 2010-06-19 10:32:53. |
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06/19/2010 10:55:30 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
One solid color? There need to be at least 2 colors imo. I don't see how you can create an image with a point of color if there is only 1 color present in the entire image. In fact I don't see any entries in the previous challenge that had only 1 color. Unless you don't consider black or white a color of course. |
Of course, I'm not implying the image needs to be one colour. Just saying the main colour that's supposed to be the 'focus' of the image is interpreted by most in the previous challenge as a single colour. |
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06/19/2010 11:54:18 AM · #15 |
Ok,I get what you meant.
Message edited by author 2010-06-19 11:55:24.
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06/19/2010 07:59:30 PM · #16 |
| i dunno what to do for this... lol |
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06/19/2010 09:06:26 PM · #17 |
| What about a particular colour accent appearing in more than one place? |
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06/19/2010 09:16:14 PM · #18 |
If anyone's got a minute to critique my entry, please PM me :) Thanks!
ETA: All set now--thank you!
Message edited by author 2010-06-19 22:43:35. |
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06/20/2010 04:48:01 PM · #19 |
Ok WHO can I steal for a minute or two to help me decide which entry to choose!!!!!!!!! PM me please!!!
Thanks!! I got two sets of eyes helping I appreciate it!!
Message edited by author 2010-06-20 17:07:00. |
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06/20/2010 05:47:15 PM · #20 |
Not that my entry will score high if I decided to enter, but I have been confused all week about what this description means:
"Capture an image where a point of color is the main subject. No sort of selective desaturation allowed!"
IMHO, the description couldn't be more vague.
What does a point of color mean?
- a 'single point' of 'a strong color'?
- a 'conceptual point (idea)' expressed by using 'multiple strong colors'?
I can go through past challenges to get an idea. But it would be great to start with a clear description from SC to avoid any DNMC debates later on.
Thank you.
Message edited by author 2010-06-20 17:49:19. |
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06/20/2010 05:54:21 PM · #21 |
The SC doesn't make the descriptions. Challenge ideas come from the community at large.
Point usually means a single point but unless the person who suggested the challenge pipes in we won't know if that is what they intended or not.
However, the description does not need to be specific. So if you have come up with two different interpretations then you have a choice to make as to which interpretation to pursue for your creation. |
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06/20/2010 05:57:42 PM · #22 |
Colette: so does that mean the challenge topics are randomly and automatically picked from the challenge suggestions pool, and the admins and/or the SC cannot make the challenge titles and descriptions to be unambiguous and clear?
Thanks.
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The SC doesn't make the descriptions. Challenge ideas come from the community at large.
Point usually means a single point but unless the person who suggested the challenge pipes in we won't know if that is what they intended or not.
However, the description does not need to be specific. So if you have come up with two different interpretations then you have a choice to make as to which interpretation to pursue for your creation. |
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06/20/2010 06:01:08 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Colette: so does that mean the challenge topics are randomly and automatically picked from the challenge suggestions pool, and the admins and/or the SC cannot make the challenge titles and descriptions to be unambiguous and clear?
Thanks.
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The SC doesn't make the descriptions. Challenge ideas come from the community at large.
Point usually means a single point but unless the person who suggested the challenge pipes in we won't know if that is what they intended or not.
However, the description does not need to be specific. So if you have come up with two different interpretations then you have a choice to make as to which interpretation to pursue for your creation. |
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Yes, the challenge topics are randomly chosen. A challenge topic that allows for more than one interpretation is not ambiguous.
Anyway, how does the SC know any better than anyone else (other than the person who suggested the topic) what was intended by the descriptions?
In my mind there should be no description, just a challenge topic.
Message edited by author 2010-06-20 18:02:30. |
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06/20/2010 06:03:25 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Prash:
Colette: so does that mean the challenge topics are randomly and automatically picked from the challenge suggestions pool, and the admins and/or the SC cannot make the challenge titles and descriptions to be unambiguous and clear?
Thanks.
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The SC doesn't make the descriptions. Challenge ideas come from the community at large.
Point usually means a single point but unless the person who suggested the challenge pipes in we won't know if that is what they intended or not.
However, the description does not need to be specific. So if you have come up with two different interpretations then you have a choice to make as to which interpretation to pursue for your creation. |
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Yes, the challenge topics are randomly chosen. A challenge topic that allows for more than one interpretation is not ambiguous.
Anyway, how does the SC know any better than anyone else (other than the person who suggested the topic) what was intended by the descriptions? |
"Ambiguity is the property of being ambiguous, where a word, term, notation, sign, symbol, phrase, sentence, or any other form used for communication, is called ambiguous if it can be interpreted in more than one way."
I do not want to start a debate with you. It was a simple question for the SC, not you. You have a good day. |
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06/20/2010 06:06:28 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Prash:
Colette: so does that mean the challenge topics are randomly and automatically picked from the challenge suggestions pool, and the admins and/or the SC cannot make the challenge titles and descriptions to be unambiguous and clear?
Thanks.
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
The SC doesn't make the descriptions. Challenge ideas come from the community at large.
Point usually means a single point but unless the person who suggested the challenge pipes in we won't know if that is what they intended or not.
However, the description does not need to be specific. So if you have come up with two different interpretations then you have a choice to make as to which interpretation to pursue for your creation. |
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Yes, the challenge topics are randomly chosen. A challenge topic that allows for more than one interpretation is not ambiguous.
Anyway, how does the SC know any better than anyone else (other than the person who suggested the topic) what was intended by the descriptions? |
"Ambiguity is the property of being ambiguous, where a word, term, notation, sign, symbol, phrase, sentence, or any other form used for communication, is called ambiguous if it can be interpreted in more than one way."
I do not want to start a debate with you. It was a simple question for the SC, not you. You have a good day. |
That's the beauty of the challenges here. We get many different interpretations and therefore many different creative entries. The descriptions are to get you thinking. If you've come up with more than one approach, good for you. A lot of people only come up with one.
Message edited by author 2010-06-20 18:11:38. |
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