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10/22/2004 10:28:06 PM · #1 |
I know, this subject has been gone over several times. I currently have the 3.2 mp DSC-P52 from Sony, and desire to upgrade. I do not (and don't expect to have) the $2000+ most people seem to recommend for the dSLR package. The main problems I have with the P52 are the 2x zoom and .5meter minimum focusing distance. From most of the reviews, I think I would prefer the camera of the 300d, but the optics are the big question. Using the 300D kit, and maybe one other inexpensive lens, would I get a large enough improvement over my current set-up to go with the dSLR? Or, would I be better off going with the f828 until I have the cash to get quality optics? And, looking to future improvements, how cross-compatible is the rebel and it's accessories (obviously not the EF-S lens) to more high-end canon dSLRs?
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10/22/2004 10:32:30 PM · #2 |
i dont know the answers to your questions, but the website here tells you almost everything you need to know about the f828 |
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10/22/2004 10:42:13 PM · #3 |
Im not even gonna say anything on this one. Everyone knows what Ima say. They can say it for me. Yes, im still holding on to it.
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10/22/2004 10:46:25 PM · #4 |
Either camera will be a HUGE upgrade. If you want a DSLR just jump in! |
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10/22/2004 11:10:58 PM · #5 |
I'm in the same boat, but I decided to wait a tiny bit until the new dSLR's come out. To satisfied my current need I purchased, a wide angle and 2X tele lense that can fit on my current camera or be fitted on a f828.
I may go the route of getting a dSLR, but I seem to get into hobbies quickly with major purchases and then move on to another hobby. I'm just afraid that after getting a nice setup that I'll do the same. |
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10/22/2004 11:16:23 PM · #6 |
I would say that the Rebel is the way to go in the long run because the optics (you could start slow) will always be compatible with what ever Canon camera comes out in the future. The kit lens will probably keep you for a year or so. It also gives you a lot more flexiblity over the F828 not only in lenses but in available light to shoot in. the ISOs in the 828 get awfully noisy above 100 but the Canons have a great reputation for low noise in high ISO. In the long run, the Rebel is a better investment, imo.
Message edited by author 2004-10-22 23:16:58. |
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10/22/2004 11:17:40 PM · #7 |
I would probably be purchasing in early january if I opt for the Rebel. Counting the rebate, the kit (with the apparently dissapointing lens) for just over $700 seems like a pretty good deal. If the consensus would tend to be that that lens, or any inexpensive lens, is fundamentally worthless for serious photography, I would probably wait to see what was coming out.
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10/22/2004 11:18:49 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by faidoi: I'm in the same boat, but I decided to wait a tiny bit until the new dSLR's come out. To satisfied my current need I purchased, a wide angle and 2X tele lense that can fit on my current camera or be fitted on a f828.
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What new DSLRs are you waiting for to come out? Do you mean the new Oly Evolt? I think that's very wise on your part because the competition should drive the price of either Rebel or Evolt down. I"m waiting too, but hopefully will have something new by the end of the year. |
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10/22/2004 11:22:15 PM · #9 |
buy my f717.
(had to say it.)
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10/22/2004 11:25:06 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by hsteg: buy my f717.
(had to say it.) |
Interesting that my new wide-angle and telephoto will also fit this camera :) |
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10/22/2004 11:25:57 PM · #11 |
I've said it in other threads. I upgraded to a dSLR a month ago (and I'll start with an early defense by saying I have used film SLRs for years in high school and college).
I think the dRebel is a very good SLR, and fast too. BUT:
A dSLR is a big investment, more than buying the camera. I've already spent around $1700. (And I only paid $820 for the dRebel with kit lens.) I bought the 70-200/F4L, wonderful lens, but not good for walking around, especially in the woods because everything is too close! So I still needed a wide-angle-to-moderate zoom. The closest two things to this are the Canon 17-85 IS USM for $600, or the Sigma 18-125 3.5-5.6 for $250. Or you could go with the 17-40/F4L for $600, but that leaves 40-70 open. A Canon 1.4x teleconverter to get above the 200mm cost almost $300 more.
Now you then need a big bag to carry all this stuff. And you'll have to consider cleaning your CCD/CMOS sensor too and all that entails.
So while I love the Canon, I have been advising people in the forums to look at some of the dSLR "like" digicams. One that I think is notable is the Panasonic Lumix FZ15, FZ20, and FZ3. I look at it this way, for $300-500, depending on the model, you are buying a Leica 35-420mm F2.8 (constant aperture) zoom lens with IS. The camera is unfortunately permanently attached to it ;) Seriously, while it's not an SLR, and I'm not sure I'll take to the Electronic viewfinder, I am going to buy one instead of the teleconverter, and I'll have two cameras with me (the Lumix is no heavier than a 420mm zoom would be), and I'll have an extra camera to take when I don't feel like lugging a lot of stuff.
If I had it to do again, I would just buy the Lumix, and then wait a year or two on the dSLR. When they work out the dust issues and have full size sensors at lower cost so you have more wide angle options.
Or if you can afford, it just buy both like me. (Well, I can't really afford it, but I am going to buy the less expensive Lumix as a carry around camera....)
Just some advice from someone just a month ahead of you in the decision!
(Though I have to say, the Canon Rebel is very nice, and focuses well, both manually and automatically. A true through the lens optical viewfinder still can't be beat.)
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10/23/2004 03:31:17 AM · #12 |
Personnaly I would rather by a F717 than a F828, the noise and purple fringing would just annoy me too much. It is the reason I did not go F828.
Whether you should go DSLR is another matter. You got some answers already and a search will give you much more.
Message edited by author 2004-10-23 03:32:21. |
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10/23/2004 06:10:07 AM · #13 |
Greetings,
Purple fringing? What PF? there's a lot fo talk out there about the dreaded 828's PF problem, well I must say, I bought my 828 about a month ago (9/23) have shot over 700 pics so far, and the PF has only shown up in literally one situation (sorry I cant post the pic here, it's currently in a challenge) And that was in an extreme contrast situation (i.e a VERY bright light against a very dark background) it was not noticable in a 4 x 6 format, but when I took it up to 16 x 20 there it was a slight purple fringe around the light, OOOHHH THE HORROR!!!, lol. A couple of minutes in PS and wallah!, it was all gone. I've shot everything from landscapes to some macro shots and this is the only time I've seen the PF "monster".
I Love my 828, now if someday I become as good a photographer as it is a camera, I'll be happy! For a feel of what the 828 is capable of I suggest you click up on the top of the page under Learn, then Cameras, Sony, dsc-f828 (pg 2 or 3 i think of sony) and then check out some of the users on here who have them, and their portfolios.
Mike
Message edited by author 2004-10-23 06:10:48. |
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10/23/2004 07:36:52 AM · #14 |
I knew I would get such a reaction from a F828 owner. Good for you that you are happy with your camera. I have seen plenty of examples which made me decide otherwise. My F707 had a slight color fringing problem which I already found annoying, the F828 was clearly worse.
I am not going to debate this topic further. I was just pointing out to the original poster that an F717 might be a very good alternative to the F828, especially for a tight budget. |
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10/23/2004 07:42:29 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi: What new DSLRs are you waiting for to come out? |
I've heard on the grapevine a 300D replacement will be announced and/or available in Spring.
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10/23/2004 07:57:54 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by vontom: Using the 300D kit, and maybe one other inexpensive lens, would I get a large enough improvement over my current set-up to go with the dSLR? |
Over your current kit the 300D has the advantage of being a much higher quality image, MUCH lower noise at high ISO, and a LOT faster.
Originally posted by vontom: Or, would I be better off going with the f828 until I have the cash to get quality optics? |
If you eventually plan to buy a DSLR anyway, you'd be spending an awful lot of money in the meantime...
Originally posted by vontom: And, looking to future improvements, how cross-compatible is the rebel and it's accessories (obviously not the EF-S lens) to more high-end canon dSLRs?
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Practically all EF accessories are compatible with higher-end DSLRs, including flashes and lenses. The only accessories that won't work is the battery grip and EF-S lenses.
It may be worth PMing and asking peecee. He was on a budget and upgraded from a Fujifilm S602Z to a 10D (very similar to the 300D in reality).
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