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 10/21/2004 08:26:41 AM · #1
I got this in my email this AM.
Goodday,
    My name is Kenneth Bryan.My fiancee Mary and i are planning to have our wedding on December 11th,2004 at St Ann Church,East Liverpool,Ohio.I am looking for the best photographer who will come and snapshot on the D-day and when i came across your advert i was impressed.Let me know your charges for your required services if you are to work for at most 6 Hours on that day.We want about 150 copies of different photos in both black and white and in coloured both in the church and reception and of both the bride and the bridegroom,their parents,the officiating ministers and our guests.We will want you to work for at least 6 Hours at the occasion and if you are out of Ohio,we will pay the transportation charges to and from the party venue so indicate in your email if you are out of Ohio and state what it will costs either via Plane or through Car transport to Ohio and what amount you will receive working for 6 hours at the occasion.
    Also,we will have the photographs snapped at the wedding forwarded to the Publisher of a Magazine Company in U.K so they could feature it in their celebrity Magazine.At this moment,my fiancee and i are on our way to Holland for a 4 weeks prewedding honeymoon and will try get in touch with you personally when we return.However,I will be making the payment by means of a Cashiers Cheque.Let me have your full names,Address,Phone Number,Cellular Number where a Cashiers Cheque will be mailed to for the payment.Moreso,should you be out of state,the Hotel accomodation will be provided for by me.Waiting to read from you soon as regards this.
Best regards,
Kenneth Bryan.
Now I live in CO! What is up with this? It is very weird!
 10/21/2004 08:30:39 AM · #2
Proceed with caution, it may be legit, but could be something else also.

From a non-pro photographer.
 10/21/2004 08:39:28 AM · #3
Follow your gut instinct.

But if you need to check into it further, why not contact the church?
 10/21/2004 08:43:41 AM · #4
Cashier Check?

there offering to pre-pay the wedding? sounds wierd

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 09:07:33.
 10/21/2004 08:44:42 AM · #5
Make sure they cover your travel expenses.
 10/21/2004 08:45:55 AM · #6
maybe get them to pre-pay in cash! no problems then :)

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 08:46:30.
 10/21/2004 08:47:59 AM · #7
I think this should be of interest to you Cashier Check - Scam
 10/21/2004 08:52:37 AM · #8
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
I got this in my email this AM.
[i]Goodday,
My name is Kenneth Bryan....Let me have your full names,Address,Phone Number,Cellular Number where a Cashiers Cheque will be mailed to for the payment.


"Names"?! How many people are you? The only thing he hasn't asked for, yet, is your SS# so he can employ you.

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Moreso,should you be out of state,the Hotel accomodation will be provided for by me.Waiting to read from you soon as regards this.


Why doesn't he know where you live?

Disclaimer: I'm a hard-core sceptical cynic who's easily taken advantage of because, in the past, I haven't had the sense to ask questions. It seems to me, you're negotiating a contract for employment. Treat it with that level of seriousness and professionalism. And if you miss out on a trip to the lovely town of East Liverpool, OH...oh, well. It beats a trip to the credit fraud bureau.
 10/21/2004 08:59:33 AM · #9
Always meet in person
Always accept cash only
you get there number and contact them
Perform background check

If and only when you have done what i said
(probally a few more steps i missed out)

It should be alright - otherwise it sounds like a scam

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 09:05:11.
 10/21/2004 09:04:30 AM · #10
My Spidey-sense tells me this is a scam, scam, scam. I would just ignore it.
 10/21/2004 09:05:03 AM · #11
THIS IS A SCAM!!!

This same email has been recieved many times by many photographers.
It has been well documented at sportsshooter.com
Sportsshooter Thread Here
 10/21/2004 09:08:04 AM · #12
This is a SCAM, check out this thread in the wedding photographer forum at fredmiranda.com

Scam

If you were to follow up, this is how the scam will go: they will likely want you to accept a cashier's check from someone else who supposedly owes them money, this check is written for much more than what you charge. You are supposed to deposit this check in your account and then wire transfer them the extra money. The catch is that the check is a phony and by the time you and your bank are onto it, the money you wired to them is long gone.

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 09:13:38.
 10/21/2004 09:28:24 AM · #13
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

If you were to follow up, this is how the scam will go: they will likely want you to accept a cashier's check from someone else who supposedly owes them money, this check is written for much more than what you charge. You are supposed to deposit this check in your account and then wire transfer them the extra money. The catch is that the check is a phony and by the time you and your bank are onto it, the money you wired to them is long gone.


eg - you charge $1000 they give you $3000 ask you to wire back $2000
In which case the bank finds out that the checks were fraud but wait shit: you already had wired $2000 out of your account into theres and worst you now owe the bank $2000 and now you can't buy that brand new camera you were after :(

I say send them back a virus :)

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 09:29:00.
 10/21/2004 09:47:48 AM · #14
You could just mess with them, like this guy

Harry Blumpkin

Some damn funny (and kinda scary stuff).

What's amazing to me is that anyone ever goes for this crap, but some suckers must or the perpetrators wouldn't keep going.
 10/21/2004 09:47:56 AM · #15
This happened to me:

PHOTOGRAPHERS SCAM!!!
 10/21/2004 10:12:30 AM · #16
Originally posted by wlevy:
My Spidey-sense tells me this is a scam, scam, scam. I would just ignore it.


Mine too, LOL
 10/21/2004 10:14:50 AM · #17
I also got some mails the other day telling my that I won millions of dollars in a lottery, SO I'M RICH!!!!!!!!!!
 10/21/2004 10:29:19 AM · #18
Good thing you asked about it! Scary stuff.

Anyway, here is a counterscamming technique. This is the funniest thing I've seen for a long time. I laugh about it periodically whenever I remember it.

Holy Church of the Fish, Bread, and Wine
 10/21/2004 10:39:28 AM · #19
well unless your a "saught" after wedding shooter....I think this is far from making any sense.! The scam is that they'll need your CC number to place along side the 'hotel' reservations for the incidentals.....so you'll need to email them your CC info !! hehehehe

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 10:41:14.
 10/21/2004 10:59:02 AM · #20
Well in case you want to check, here's the church info (it's a real church):

SAINT ANN CHURCH, 330-385-5582
1506 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, EAST LIVERPOOL OH 43920
10/21/2004 11:13:14 AM · #21
1. Contact the church and see if there is a wedding planed for that day.
2. I looked at your website and you have wonderful photographs but I don̢۪t see any thing that suggest you are into wedding photography or have any experience. [I done a quick through of your site, if I missed your wedding photography or experience, I̢۪m sorry]
3. Why would he want your information up front. He should send you his information.
4. Sounds like a big event, which in most cases the groom/family, has a coordinator for this.
5. If it were such a big event why would they go on a 4-week honeymoon without all details finalized first?
6. The author seems to be from the UK by the spelling of some words [coloured, cheque]. Now you have an overseas transaction. Again making me believe a big event. The 150 copies is another reason I say big event.
7. IMO I would be very cautious!
CONTACT CHURCH HERE
 10/21/2004 11:15:39 AM · #22
The church will say "We've gotten calls from all over about this. It must be a scam."
 10/21/2004 02:04:09 PM · #23
Originally posted by skylen:
Good thing you asked about it! Scary stuff.

Anyway, here is a counterscamming technique. This is the funniest thing I've seen for a long time. I laugh about it periodically whenever I remember it.

Holy Church of the Fish, Bread, and Wine


This is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. I was laughing at both the photos and text. The guy has a very creative imagination to lead him along like that.
 10/21/2004 02:15:17 PM · #24
Originally posted by aguapreta:
Originally posted by skylen:
Good thing you asked about it! Scary stuff.

Anyway, here is a counterscamming technique. This is the funniest thing I've seen for a long time. I laugh about it periodically whenever I remember it.

Holy Church of the Fish, Bread, and Wine


This is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. I was laughing at both the photos and text. The guy has a very creative imagination to lead him along like that.


Well, what I don't understand, and doesn't seem to be demonstrated there, is 'how is he sure' that it's a scam? That guy sent pics of himself. Wouldn't that tempt arrest?

Is what the "baiter" doing illegal also? After all, he's impersonating someone too.
10/21/2004 02:57:25 PM · #25
Listen, if the dude sends you a cheque and it doesn't bounce, than do it. There's nothing wrong with that. Just because his grammar isn't the best and he may not know anything about how the biz works.

The big BUT here is that he's assuming in your wedding price that he'll be legally entitled to give your photos to the publisher. The charge for that is up to you but definetly not included in your regular package price.

Edit: I'm not saying it's NOT a scam, I'm just saying don't write it off. He could be a big oil tycoon from Saudi Arabia.

Edit2: Just checked out your website and I didn't see any wedding photos on it, so yeah, that makes the whole thing suspicious.

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 14:59:59.
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