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10/18/2004 11:58:01 PM · #1 |
Here is a gallery from a pre-production unit...
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Looks good since i have no investment in lenses i tthink this is what i will buy next. |
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10/19/2004 01:45:27 AM · #2 |
| This is the cam that's got IS built into the camera body so you won't even need a tripod. Minolta lenses are cheap and of high quality too. |
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10/19/2004 02:08:40 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
This is the cam that's got IS built into the camera body so you won't even need a tripod. Minolta lenses are cheap and of high quality too. |
I wouldn't go as far as saying you won't need a tripod. The IS only buys you about 2 stops. It doesn't let you hand hold everything.
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10/19/2004 02:40:11 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by drz01:
Here is a gallery from a pre-production unit...
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Looks good since i have no investment in lenses i tthink this is what i will buy next. |
I would be very careful about this decision. I owned (still own, technically) a Minolta DiMAGE 7. The optics and features were great, but the image sensor was VERY noisy, especially in the blue channel. I've looked at a few of the full-frame (non-resized) versions of the images in that gallery, and the issues seem to be present in this camera as well. You should not expect the level of image quality from this camera that you would get from a Canon or Nikon offering.
-Terry
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10/19/2004 05:13:21 AM · #5 |
| Inferences based on a 3.5 year technology delta? Irrelevant. Blue channel noise is always an issue in digicams (combination of bayer and small luminance contribution). I'd reserve judgement until more objective analysis is available. It probably won't be the kind of high ISO performer the 20D is, but it's probably comparable to the 10D/D70, and that's without taking into account the A-S system latitude. |
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10/19/2004 06:35:58 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by drz01:
Here is a gallery from a pre-production unit...
Gallery
Looks good since i have no investment in lenses i tthink this is what i will buy next. |
I would be very careful about this decision. I owned (still own, technically) a Minolta DiMAGE 7. The optics and features were great, but the image sensor was VERY noisy, especially in the blue channel. I've looked at a few of the full-frame (non-resized) versions of the images in that gallery, and the issues seem to be present in this camera as well. You should not expect the level of image quality from this camera that you would get from a Canon or Nikon offering.
-Terry |
I agree 100% with your statment but, he must consider what kind of photography he is going to do. I agree that Canon seems to have a good handle on noise but there is much more to a camera then just noise levels. Build quality, Options and controlls, How it fits your hand. The best thing to do is to not judge just on what you see on the monitor but go to the store and try all camers you can get your hands on and see which one is right for you and the type of photography you plan to use it with.
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10/19/2004 07:23:39 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
Inferences based on a 3.5 year technology delta? Irrelevant. Blue channel noise is always an issue in digicams (combination of bayer and small luminance contribution). I'd reserve judgement until more objective analysis is available. It probably won't be the kind of high ISO performer the 20D is, but it's probably comparable to the 10D/D70, and that's without taking into account the A-S system latitude. |
Not at all. Though my suspicions were based on 3½ year old technology, my conclusions I based upon downloading and viewing several of the full-size versions of the Maxxum samples posted in the linked gallery -- now tell me, how are conclusions based on actual samples irrelevant? As I noted in my original post (emphasis added):
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
The optics and features were great, but the image sensor was VERY noisy, especially in the blue channel. I've looked at a few of the full-frame (non-resized) versions of the images in that gallery, and the issues seem to be present in this camera as well. |
In those images I am seeing noise issues largely comparable to those I experienced on my DiMage 7. Under that level of examination, the images out of the Maxxum fall far short of the standards already set by its competitors (the D70, DRebel, 10D and now the 20D). I simply believe a buyer would be better served to look long and at hard at the existing cameras on the market with a mind toward steering clear of the Konica/Minolta offering.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-10-19 07:40:15.
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10/19/2004 11:23:52 AM · #8 |
| Okay, your suspicions are irrelevant and your conclusions lack analytical rigour. Like I wrote, reserve judgement until more objective analysis is available; it's a little premature to be naysaying the product until then. The 20D is in a class of its own w.r.t. (iso) noise, but these sample 7D images are comparable to the Canon/Nikon offerings (in the same product class). That's just one person's subjective opinion (mine). I'd love to see an objective analysis. |
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10/19/2004 01:27:42 PM · #9 |
The guys at DPReview seem to have a slightly different impression. They say the noise level "results are impressive, especially low noise at high sensitivities".
Here's the the quote in context-- "As promised we have today been out shooting with our pre-production Maxxum 7D and have put together a samples gallery of twenty one images including daylight low ISO and indoor high ISO shots. So far the results are impressive, especially low noise at high sensitivities and the very capable Anti-Shake system which allowed us to shoot as slow as 1/2 or 1/4 sec without a tripod (slower speeds do also seem possible but we can't be 100% confident without proper testing). Otherwise the images have good tonal balance, color response and a conservative approach to image sharpening (perhaps considered soft in appearance)." (emphasis mine)
My opinion, based on owning a Minolta A1 for 6 months, is that the "conservative approach" extends to all in-camera image processing, not just sharpening; and is what leads many to think less of the Minolta line. Photographers who desire more control over their images should value the freedom Minolta's approach gives them. You just have to do the work yourself with editing software. |
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10/19/2004 01:35:47 PM · #10 |
| Stupid question, but how do you tell if there is noise in the blue channel? I just looked at the gallery again for the 7D and only found a little bit of noise in a few pics and that was at high iso. Thanks. |
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