Communication Questions - DPChallenge Forums

10/15/2004 03:03:57 AM · #1

Now, this challenge deals with the communications of ideas or information from one person or group to another person or group.

Okay: Is reading any body information which is done specifically to be analysed by an expert or group of expert count. Or is the definition locked specifically to words. It seems information may represent a wider interpretation and include the above. Take an MRI, that is information from you to machine to doctor or doctors. Live transmission from you to machine with doctor viewing the events?

bongo

10/15/2004 03:15:24 AM · #2

I once took a University Course on Communication. We had to do a
presentation on a topic dealing with Communication.
I chose to do Non Verbal Communication...The Lie Detector and The Body's Involuntary Communication of Truths and Lies.
Got a 94% grade on that baby.
So, I'd say Communication extends to ANY medium or method of conveying information.
A wink of the eye, thumbs up, goosebumbs, shivering and body posture and positioning are all fine examples of communicating our thoughts, feelings and physiological state.
Well, that's me...I'm done
Regards,
Randy.

Message edited by author 2004-10-15 03:16:07.

10/15/2004 01:22:41 PM · #3

Randy: exactly as you put it. Communications is not the obvious word. Unfortunately the voters decide whether such images fit or do not fit and they have discounted this type of communication. That is, they refuse to extend the true essence of communication and they even overlook that when you look at an image you are an observer and often the photographer uses the viewer to replace the point of view of an unseen person.

Anyway, the voters decide and it is on their wisdom or lack that we must abide with.

10/15/2004 01:29:46 PM · #4

I've been thinking a lot about this challenge - I'm doing poorly myself...
The challenge was to show communication between 2 people of groups of people. A picture showing body language - while it does have something to communicate - does not (in the picture at least) show communication happening between groups of individuals. I think that's why those pictures are doing poorly...

10/15/2004 01:40:53 PM · #5

Originally posted by prozac:

A picture showing body language - while it does have something to communicate - does not (in the picture at least) show communication happening between groups of individuals.

Neither does a phone.

Message edited by author 2004-10-15 13:42:09.

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10/15/2004 01:44:37 PM · #6

I agree.

Message edited by author 2004-10-15 13:45:16.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

10/15/2004 01:46:19 PM · #7

Originally posted by prozac:

I don't fall into any of the categories you are talking about, but I thought I'd clear up a misconception here--you should re-read this, emphasis mine:

"Photograph something used to convey passing ideas or information from one person or group to another person or group."

Message edited by author 2004-10-15 13:46:40.

10/15/2004 01:53:51 PM · #8

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by prozac:
I've been thinking a lot about this challenge - I'm doing poorly myself...
The challenge was to show communication between 2 people of groups of people. A picture showing body language - while it does have something to communicate - does not (in the picture at least) show communication happening between groups of individuals. I think that's why those pictures are doing poorly...

I don't fall into any of the categories you are talking about, but I thought I'd clear up a misconception here--you should re-read this, emphasis mine:

"Photograph something used to convey passing ideas or information from one person or group to another person or group."

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Precisely. Suppose you see a patient having heart sugery with camera image being monitored by a doctor or group of doctors. This is the transmission of information. Absent the doctors and let the viewer become the observer.

10/15/2004 01:55:50 PM · #9

Originally posted by nshapiro:

"Photograph something used to convey passing ideas or information from one person or group to another person or group."

That "something" could be body language or any other number of things that aren't necessarily objects.

10/15/2004 01:58:59 PM · #10

I think the voters have decided to replace that "something" with words and word ideas. No wonder so many people go giddy with their cell phones, that is the only communication they know.

10/15/2004 02:00:32 PM · #11

I wasn't saying that I disagree - simply that I think a lot of the voters didn't like many of our interpretations of communication. Maybe just trying to figure out for myself why i'm doind so badly. I haven't gotten comments so I have no idea what the thought is...

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/15/2004 02:01:53 PM · #12

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

I think the voters have decided to replace that "something" with words and word ideas. No wonder so many people go giddy with their cell phones, that is the only communication they know.

I think I'm the only person in North America that doesn't own one!

...at least there aren't any 80's tunes spontaneously popping out of my pocket, like the rest of the world!!

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

10/15/2004 02:02:02 PM · #13

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by prozac:
I've been thinking a lot about this challenge - I'm doing poorly myself...
The challenge was to show communication between 2 people of groups of people. A picture showing body language - while it does have something to communicate - does not (in the picture at least) show communication happening between groups of individuals. I think that's why those pictures are doing poorly...

I don't fall into any of the categories you are talking about, but I thought I'd clear up a misconception here--you should re-read this, emphasis mine:

"Photograph something used to convey passing ideas or information from one person or group to another person or group."

===================================================================

Precisely. Suppose you see a patient having heart sugery with camera image being monitored by a doctor or group of doctors. This is the transmission of information. Absent the doctors and let the viewer become the observer.

I agree. But it's the camera image that meets the challenge, since it is the something used tom communicate. It doesn't matter if the people are there. Also, "something" could be a government institution (propaganda), the presidential debates, newspaper, religion, camera, film, paper, or the more conventional communications devices.

But this is all academic now. People only seem to interpret the challenge in shallow ways.

giega

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

10/15/2004 02:02:04 PM · #14

I agree with you guys, but also I think that touch, body language are subconcious communication that we do not think of it as communication. That's why it's so hard to see it in the pictures.

giega

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

10/15/2004 02:03:57 PM · #15

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

I think the voters have decided to replace that "something" with words and word ideas. No wonder so many people go giddy with their cell phones, that is the only communication they know.

I work in Telecommunications branch as email admin. I guess email is my priority ;-)

10/15/2004 02:06:03 PM · #16

I say this a lot (and so I know it's cliche), but I really think that the description for the Communication challenge (or all challenges) should read as follows:

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(read between the lines)

10/15/2004 02:07:22 PM · #17

Originally posted by prozac:

Wow: no comments yet? I recall the first thread and people were just voting everything down. Maybe this is not a sterling challenge.

10/15/2004 02:10:52 PM · #18

I have 186 votes...
2 comments that say it was a good idea
my score: 4.85

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

10/15/2004 02:17:47 PM · #19

I have 176 votes. 4 good comments. And, hey you are quite ahead of me. I am at 4.38

It is like I said, the voter decides but I have yet to miss the spirit of the challenge by this much. LOL

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

10/15/2004 03:35:57 PM · #20

I agree!!! The person or people do not have to be in the photograph, in my opinion it makes the photo more interesting when the voter has to put his or herself in the place of the missing person. So I do not believe you have to show a person or group to meet the challenge.
But in due respect I have to disagree with Randy on a few of his examples. I also took communication course all though not at a University. The wink of the eye is communication if you are intending for it to be a signal to another person, but an involuntary wink of the eye is not. It is a communication between the body and brain.
Goosebumps is not a communication between two people. It is a communication between the body and brain due to a reaction of emotion or sensation. The same applies with shivering. Posture can be either way; if the posture is due to a bodily deficiency then itâ��s not communication between two people or a group. But intentional body posture is, if you are trying to make an impression on a person or group of people.
With all that said one can see why the challenge can be loosely interpreted therefore causing photographers to think outside the box and voters not voting as far outside the box. Just my 2 cents worth.
Good luck to everyone
BTW: my score has dropped from the first hour so Iâ��m in the same boat as most.

Message edited by author 2004-10-15 15:36:48.

GeneralE

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Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/15/2004 04:12:49 PM · #21

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I think the voters have decided to replace that "something" with words and word ideas. No wonder so many people go giddy with their cell phones, that is the only communication they know.

I think I'm the only person in North America that doesn't own one!

I've never even had a beeper, much less a cell phone : )