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10/07/2004 09:48:58 PM · #1 |
Im moving up to dslr soon and plan on shooting sports the most. I already have a lens, as I know I want canon and found a stellar deal on one. (canon 70-200 2.8 non-is) My question is, would there be a noticible difference in focusing speed between the two cameras? (10d 20d)?
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10/07/2004 09:52:41 PM · #2 |
I'm not sure about the focusing speed but if you are going to be using for sports I'm sure that the 20Ds 5FPS and larger buffer size would help you out (if you are going to shoot in JPG mode).
I read in one of the review sites that their experience was that the 20Ds ai-servo was much better but I can't remember which site it was where I read this.
Just my 2 cents!
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10/08/2004 01:34:24 AM · #3 |
Also, with Al-Servo, there are 9 focus points... so it will better focus on your subject as it moves. I would highly consider the 20D for this reason!
Not to mention, the color and saturation control is amazing on this camera!!!
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10/08/2004 01:50:20 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
Also, with Al-Servo, there are 9 focus points... so it will better focus on your subject as it moves. I would highly consider the 20D for this reason!
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Hey Arielle ..... What's the story with the AF there, I have yet to really investigate it.
In full auto mode (the green square thing, which I have never used other than to test the camera) I get the whole 9 point af thing happening.
However, in any of the other modes sych as P, Tv, Av etc I seem to only get a single point for autofocus.
Have I stuffed up a setting somehow?
Also .... you say the 9 point AF better for moving subjects ..... can you explain that a little more for me :)
Thanks ... feeling very ignorant here *laugh*
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10/08/2004 11:00:12 AM · #5 |
Do you guys think the AI Servo on the 10d is really not that great for hockey and skateboarding? I always thought AI servo was more for shooting birds and what not.
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10/08/2004 11:08:29 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Natator:
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
Also, with Al-Servo, there are 9 focus points... so it will better focus on your subject as it moves. I would highly consider the 20D for this reason!
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Hey Arielle ..... What's the story with the AF there, I have yet to really investigate it.
In full auto mode (the green square thing, which I have never used other than to test the camera) I get the whole 9 point af thing happening.
However, in any of the other modes sych as P, Tv, Av etc I seem to only get a single point for autofocus.
Have I stuffed up a setting somehow?
Also .... you say the 9 point AF better for moving subjects ..... can you explain that a little more for me :)
Thanks ... feeling very ignorant here *laugh* |
Same here but it's not just the 10d/20d..the D60 does it, too. But I only ever use the centre focus so 7-point focus in Green Square really bothers me.
WIth the centre focus locked, you focus on the subject you want in focus, then recompose the shot [place that object anywhere] and it still stays focused. Nice. |
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10/08/2004 11:18:00 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
WIth the centre focus locked, you focus on the subject you want in focus, then recompose the shot [place that object anywhere] and it still stays focused. Nice. |
This doesn't work well if you're shooting wide-open with a fast lens and have a very shallow DOF (i.e., to blur distracting stuff in the background).
See Why Focus-Recompose Sucks for more info. |
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10/08/2004 11:27:22 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
WIth the centre focus locked, you focus on the subject you want in focus, then recompose the shot [place that object anywhere] and it still stays focused. Nice. |
This doesn't work well if you're shooting wide-open with a fast lens and have a very shallow DOF (i.e., to blur distracting stuff in the background).
See Why Focus-Recompose Sucks for more info. |
NOW I get it. Thanks. |
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10/08/2004 11:35:19 AM · #9 |
I can understand all that, but, I'll be honest, I'm not a techy and I know little about lenses. I just do what works and looks good! (and keeps the peanut-gallery happy). For now that is.
I can see how the centre focus wouldn't work for a bunch of scenarios. |
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10/08/2004 12:30:04 PM · #10 |
| Just out of interest, why would you even consider buying a 10D, here in Germany the 20D is cheaper than the 10D!. Of course that is assuming you are buying a new camera. |
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10/08/2004 04:10:48 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by aKiwi:
Just out of interest, why would you even consider buying a 10D, here in Germany the 20D is cheaper than the 10D!. Of course that is assuming you are buying a new camera. |
In the Us I could probably get a 10d for like 400-500 dollars cheaper. Thats why im asking. So has anyone used BOTH cameras and seen a noticible difference in focusing speed? Is the 5fs really worth 500? to me, no.
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10/08/2004 04:30:05 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Natator:
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
Also, with Al-Servo, there are 9 focus points... so it will better focus on your subject as it moves. I would highly consider the 20D for this reason!
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Hey Arielle ..... What's the story with the AF there, I have yet to really investigate it.
In full auto mode (the green square thing, which I have never used other than to test the camera) I get the whole 9 point af thing happening.
However, in any of the other modes sych as P, Tv, Av etc I seem to only get a single point for autofocus.
Have I stuffed up a setting somehow?
Also .... you say the 9 point AF better for moving subjects ..... can you explain that a little more for me :)
Thanks ... feeling very ignorant here *laugh* |
Okay, what is happening is this... when you are in a creative mode (P, Tv, Av), the camera looks for a subject to focus on. When it acheives focus on a subject, it will show you wich of the 9 points has achieved focus. Sometimes just 1 point, sometimes more. Now, if that is not the subject you wanted to focus on, you can manually choose which focus point the camera should use to try to achieve focus (obviously this is for auto focusing only).
Now, Al-Servo and Al-Focus are for moving subjects (sports, animals, airplanes, etc). Al-Servo is great for objects coming and going from your position as well as regular movement across your view. Al-Servo is used for still shots as well, and if they subject starts moving, it will follow them.
Al-Focus is for moving subjects, the camera assumes there will be a moving subject and it readies itself to adjust as needed.
Now, those focus points are really helpful for you when you want to focus on something that is further behind something nearby. So, you will want to look up, in the manual, how to manually adjust the focus points to show the camera which to use. It has to do with the little buttons on the upper right of the back of the camera. One is a *.
Anyhow, I don't know if I confused you or not, but hopefully that made some sense :)
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10/08/2004 05:49:32 PM · #13 |
the focus speed has more to do with the lense attached than the camera itself i would imagine.
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10/08/2004 07:30:26 PM · #14 |
That does have a lot to do with it, Soup, you are right :)
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10/08/2004 07:32:56 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by soup:
the focus speed has more to do with the lense attached than the camera itself i would imagine. |
That will play a factor I imagine but the camera body makes a huge difference.
I remember a friend with a Nikon 35mm. He upgraded from a basic body to a high end body and was amazed. He let me have a go with both bodies, same lens, and the difference was very obvious.
As for the 10D vs 20D ... I believe it is a lot faster, but never had both cameras at the same instant to actually check.
However, I would definitiely spend the extra money on the 20D for a whole heap of reasons. The 20D ended up being a bugger step up from the 10D than I thought it was going to be .... however, I am not knocking the 10D at all, it is a sensational beast.
Thanks for the explanation there Arielle ... what I don;t get still is why in green squate mode you get a heap of the red squares light up, but only one, even if not the center one, in the creative modes.
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