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10/08/2004 11:40:04 AM · #1 |
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10/08/2004 03:26:22 PM · #2 |
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10/08/2004 03:51:43 PM · #3 |
Well, I do appreciate your posting the link - it was good to see how often and to what extent Clinton kept "threatining" to do what Bush actually had the guts to do. And it shows that Clinton predicted years ago what Duelfer posited yesterday - that given half a chance, Hussein would have quickly ratcheted up his quest for WMD as soon as sanctions were lifted. That alone is enough to convince me that the U.S. would have had to fight Hussein later if not sooner.
But, to me, the clip could have made its point in less than half of the 14 minutes it consumed. After 6 minutes of fairly repetitive clips, I fast-forwarded it several times to see if it was ever going to get to a different subject. |
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10/08/2004 05:55:02 PM · #4 |
Indeed we do forget history.
George Walker Bush - history
Also, the Two faces of Bush is educational. |
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10/08/2004 06:37:31 PM · #5 |
More education:
One of the postings in your little link says about Bush:
"The value of the dollar has collapsed 30% during my term"
Well, that, too is wrong. AND if you can believe it, Bush did better than Clinton did in HIS first term. According to the Federal Reserve Board's Price-Adjusted Broad Dollar Index, ( ref here ) in Clinton's first term the value of the dollar went from 91.09 in January of 1993 ( when Clinton took office ) and 89.43 in October 1996 ( just before the 1996 elections ) - a decline of 1.82%. During Bush's first term, the value of the dollar went from 100.44 in January 2001 ( when Bush took office ) to 99.80 in Oct 2004 - a decline of only 0.64%.
Guess the truth doesn't really matter to those who hate G.W.
Message edited by author 2004-10-08 18:38:48. |
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10/08/2004 06:51:42 PM · #6 |
Update, found another source here.
With that resume, no wonder 50% of America is voting for him.
Liberal media... LOL. |
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10/09/2004 06:08:32 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by RonB:
More education:
One of the postings in your little link says about Bush:
"The value of the dollar has collapsed 30% during my term"
Well, that, too is wrong. AND if you can believe it, Bush did better than Clinton did in HIS first term. According to the Federal Reserve Board's Price-Adjusted Broad Dollar Index, ( ref here ) in Clinton's first term the value of the dollar went from 91.09 in January of 1993 ( when Clinton took office ) and 89.43 in October 1996 ( just before the 1996 elections ) - a decline of 1.82%. During Bush's first term, the value of the dollar went from 100.44 in January 2001 ( when Bush took office ) to 99.80 in Oct 2004 - a decline of only 0.64%.
Guess the truth doesn't really matter to those who hate G.W. |
Ron, when all else fails your strategy is to compare to Clinton. You take just one item in a slew of items, as referred to by MadMordegon's posts above, and find some minute detail to blow out of proportion. But history will remember George Bush not comparing him to Clinton, who left this country much better off than the current state of affairs that George Bush has mislead us into. Rather, history will see Bush and his administration for duplicity, secrecy, a huge budget deficit, corporate corruption, war, environmental degradation, and an imperialistic stance towards the world as a whole, and war crimes. There's probably a lot more I can add to that list. George Bush has been a colossal failure his whole life, save for the intervention of family and friends in high places, and this legacy continues with him throughout his presidency, and history will show this.
Message edited by author 2004-10-09 06:29:30. |
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10/09/2004 08:55:11 AM · #8 |
I disagree and we can come back and talk about it in another 12 years... But I think President Bush will be remembered as a great President who made the right & tough choices.
The country is in a great place considering the condition it was in when he took office on top of the fact of having to deal with terrorism. Your pathetic and sad hatred and your mostly false one liners jade that view. Yes this is a I'm right your wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm the one who will be right in the end... |
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10/09/2004 12:05:03 PM · #9 |
Yhe condition it was in when he took office?
Greenspan's first testimony to Congress was that in his opinion, the enormous U.S. debt, left to Clinton from yesrs of republican supply-side economics, was in danger of " being paid down too quickly", if you can believe such a thing!
This was Greenspan beginning his first craven cow-towing to Bush for the ever-present mantra for more tax cuts (for the rich, of course).
The U.S. was in great shape when Bush took over. And not, BTW, as Bush administration revisionists try to spin, already in a recession. Not true.
We had peace, prosperity, low unemployment, a smaller government payroll, and we were on schedule to retire the trillions of dollars of the U.S. debt.
Things were great, despite the best efforts of the Republicans to screw it al up. |
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10/09/2004 12:19:40 PM · #10 |
Wasn't it the Newt Gingrich republican'ts that wanted to amend The Constitution to include a provision for a mandatory balanced budget?
What happened to that idea?
Also, has the US government taken out loans that have contributed to the current trillion dollar debt from the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, or only foreign banks? |
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10/09/2004 12:46:54 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
Yhe condition it was in when he took office?
Greenspan's first testimony to Congress was that in his opinion, the enormous U.S. debt, left to Clinton from yesrs of republican supply-side economics, was in danger of " being paid down too quickly", if you can believe such a thing!
This was Greenspan beginning his first craven cow-towing to Bush for the ever-present mantra for more tax cuts (for the rich, of course).
The U.S. was in great shape when Bush took over. And not, BTW, as Bush administration revisionists try to spin, already in a recession. Not true.
We had peace, prosperity, low unemployment, a smaller government payroll, and we were on schedule to retire the trillions of dollars of the U.S. debt.
Things were great, despite the best efforts of the Republicans to screw it al up. |
Twist, twist, twist - if the truth doesn't fit, twist it.
Here is a graph from the National Bureau of Economic Research that shows that "Industrial Production" was in a precipitous decline PRIOR to Bush's inauguration - note that the decline actually began in September of 2000 - well before Bush took office, in fact, even before he was elected ( note: the dotted line shows the average for the 6 most recent recessions ):
This chart, likewise, shows that the beginning of the decline in "Real Manufacturing and Trade Sales" occurred in December, 2000 - again, BEFORE Bush took office ( again, the dotted line shows the average for the 6 most recent recessions ):
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According to the NBER, the OVERALL recession began in March 2001, only two months after Bush's inauguration, and well before ANY Bush policies could possibly have had a significant impact on the economy. The recession officially ended in November 2001 DESPITE the events of 9/11 |
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10/09/2004 06:07:49 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Update, found another source here.
With that resume, no wonder 50% of America is voting for him.
Liberal media... LOL. |
More education. Your link says
"I set the all time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. Stock Market"
Not true - even when you look at the links provided by the one who made that claim:
The link in Newsday says ( additional italicized text inserted by me ):
"Of the major indexes, the Nasdaq was the biggest percentage loser in 2002, falling 31.5 percent ( it fell 35.1% in 1974 ). The Standard & Poor's 500 index suffered a 23.4 percent loss, its biggest drop since 1974( when it dropped 26.51% }; the blue-chip Dow Jones industrial average fell 16.8 percent, its worst performance since 1977 ( when it dropped 17.85% )."
So, it would appear that there were worse drops in 1974 ( S&P 500 and Nasdaq ) and 1977 ( DJIA ).
Message edited by author 2004-10-09 18:08:38. |
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10/09/2004 06:14:48 PM · #13 |
It would be nice if you marked what this was. I'm guessing, like most of the DPCers outside the US (and indeed a good proportion inside) I have little interest in US politics.
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