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10/07/2004 04:31:46 AM · #1 |
Site Suggestions
I have been thinking of some site suggestions for a while now, and after seeing the good ones on E301̢۪s post: I thought I would add mine too.
The Problems
Currently I see several areas that users seem to get up tight about which could be addressed with some additions and changes.
The of the biggest downside I see about the site is that of the scoring and voting - I feel that too much weight is given to meting the challenge, and not enough on peoples photographic ability. In every challenge we get decent photographs not being recognised because some voters (myself included) do not always see the connection;
The second problem is that of voting on 445 images. Whilst that is superb news for us being that we have lots of new members all submitting – having that many in one challenge I think degrades the speed in which people take to view and score and comment on each photograph.
The suggestions
1) One way to correct both of these this would be to have several different categories of challenges.
For example, there could be a Stock Category, a Journalistic Category, an Art house Category, A B&W Category and a Creative Category (where unlimited PS work is allowed)
Then within these categories you have the weekly challenges that we do now – but because they are set into categories it will spread the competition around thus giving more people a change to ribbon (seems to be a big thing at the moment) and also make life more pleasurable for the viewer, voter and commenter.
It will also make people concentrate more on the image rather than the challenge, at the moment some mark down because they dislike stock images – they feel they are lifeless, but in a stock category that isn’t going to happen – it will be expected because it’s in that category.
This will also give more ribbons, more winners, and more challenges for us all to enter (always a good thing)
I would also remove the forum from the front page and fill it with more images. – something which would need to be done if we had more challenges.
2) Like E301̢۪s post I too would like to see the current scores being removed so we can only see comments. I agree this would stop subconscious or deliberate vote patterns, which is always a good thing. I also think it will be more fun to try and predict where your going to come just by reading your comments.
This idea I doubt will ever happen, as that update button is like gods gift to most of us! But I would like to see the option of not having your score displayed when reading your comments so at least those users who don̢۪t want to see it don̢۪t see it.
Or we could have several speed challenges where everything is hidden from the user – kind of fun.
3) Leagues get talked about a lot, but I am sure that is quite hard to implement. The current Masters challenge has given us a lot of food for thought and splitting the field up into those over 6 and those under 6 would be a nice addition an give some others a chance of competing who can̢۪t usually compete. (Ribbons could be the same but a lighter shade or something)
4) Image size – currently 640 maximum, perhaps make that 680.
5) The addition of a political thread.
6) For the forum, I have seen this on many other sites. When you click the Bold button it comes up with a prompt for your text and you use that (the same as you do for a URL) and it fills it in for you. I get all messy when I try to do the [ bb ] as it pits it at the bottom sometimes.
7) Increase the subscription which would validate any new changes. For what you get it is pretty cheap.
8) Reduce the voting period to 4 or 5 days. 95% of the votes seem to be done in 2 days so I see it as a bit of a waste of time (and I can̢۪t wait to see my results)
9) Having your ribbons displayed alongside your name on the forum - or your average score etc. When reading posts I am always clicking on peoples portfolio button to see what their photos are like and often surprised to see some people with many ribbons and an average of 6.5 and can't believe I have missed all that great photography. If their credits were easy to see it wouldn't be so easy to miss
Just ideas, just ideas. Now I have to do some real work ;D
Anyone know Action Script?
Message edited by author 2004-10-07 04:38:45. |
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10/07/2004 04:37:03 AM · #2 |
You *CAN* turn off your scores.. go to your personal preferences and click the check mark beside the "show current scores" (or whatever).
Then you don't have to look at them :)
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10/07/2004 04:50:12 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
You *CAN* turn off your scores.. go to your personal preferences and click the check mark beside the "show current scores" (or whatever).
Then you don't have to look at them :) |
You *CAN'T* just turn off scores - you must turn of comments as well. I *SAID* it would be nice to just be able to turn of scores and read comments.
tsk :D
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10/07/2004 04:52:54 AM · #4 |
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10/07/2004 04:59:37 AM · #5 |
You can still read comments with your scores turned off - the image still appears top left of home page, and when you click on it displays comments just as normal. What you can't see is the other statistics - views, votes, favs etc.
I turn them off for the most part simply because I don't like the addictive nature of that update button
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10/07/2004 05:06:00 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Sorry, my mistake. |
Darn you E301 :D Just when I was being cocky.
looks like I am sorry it's my mistake. boo
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10/07/2004 05:06:58 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by Artyste:
Sorry, my mistake. |
Darn you E301 :D Just when I was being cocky.
looks like I am sorry it's my mistake. boo |
hehe. I was going to overlook that one ;)
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10/07/2004 05:19:41 AM · #8 |
Second all of Jon's suggestions.
Originally posted by jonpink:
3) Leagues get talked about a lot, but I am sure that is quite hard to implement. |
The Parts challenge has 445 entries. From a complete beginner that joined last week to a semi-/professional photographer. I would query whether that leads to a challenge that fairly evaluates photos at all levels.
How often do we see threads pointing out a great photo that got a score that is too low? I would say some photos also get too high a score. The only reason these photos aren't pointed out is because of politeness.
It is hard work, but it's effort vs. reward. Drew, Langdon, site council: you are the only people that can decide.. |
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10/07/2004 06:41:35 AM · #9 |
| I don't want to be a stick-in-the-mud, but...(remember this is IMHO before anyone gets angry)... I believe meeting the challenge should have ALOT to do with the scoring. If the challenge topic doesn't matter, then we should just have open challenges all the time. Why have a topic if you don't have to be creative in meeting the requirements of it. The topic makes the photographer work harder at being creative. Just my thoughts. |
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10/07/2004 07:05:42 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by rayg544:
I don't want to be a stick-in-the-mud, but...(remember this is IMHO before anyone gets angry)... I believe meeting the challenge should have ALOT to do with the scoring. If the challenge topic doesn't matter, then we should just have open challenges all the time. Why have a topic if you don't have to be creative in meeting the requirements of it. The topic makes the photographer work harder at being creative. Just my thoughts. |
I agree. The whole point is to take a "creative" photograph that meets the challenge! I certainly take into account photographic ability, as well as creative and/or "outside the box" ideas, but the ultimate purpose is still the challenge.
Message edited by author 2004-10-07 07:45:18.
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10/07/2004 07:07:07 AM · #11 |
| Outside the box is about swaying from traditional thinking, not going off topic. |
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10/07/2004 07:46:07 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by xion:
Outside the box is about swaying from traditional thinking, not going off topic. |
I absolutely agree!
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10/07/2004 08:08:52 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Second all of Jon's suggestions.
The Parts challenge has 445 entries. From a complete beginner that joined last week to a semi-/professional photographer. I would query whether that leads to a challenge that fairly evaluates photos at all levels. |
Not sure what you are saying here Paul but don't confuse photoghaphy beginers with new members.
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10/07/2004 08:11:28 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Blackdog:
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
a complete beginner that joined last week |
Not sure what you are saying here Paul but don't confuse photoghaphy beginers with new members. |
My apologies, that wasn't what I meant at all. Clearly I just meant "a complete beginner". |
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